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Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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Meeklynamechanged · 17/08/2021 22:16

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

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Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:20

My temporary accommodation pic set 2

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TractorAndHeadphones · 18/08/2021 17:20

@Audit

Immigrants from outside the EU countries made a net fiscal contribution of about £5.2 billion, thus paying into the system about 3% more than they took out. In contrast, over the same period, natives made an overall negative fiscal contribution of £616.5 billion. The net fiscal balance of overall immigration to the UK between 2001 and 2011 amounts therefore to a positive net contribution of about £25 billion, over a period over which the UK has run an overall budget deficit.

Totally meaningless generic nonsense. How do you quantify the benefits that asylum seekers bring to those of, say, Australian academics or a technician from Hong Kong?

Exactly. Of COURSE immigrants from outside the EU make a net fiscal contribution. The majority of us are uni students (who pay double the amount a local does in tuition fees alone) or people in jobs with a minimum salary threshold. The criteria to enter the U.K. legally is very strict, we must prove that we have enough money and if we become sick, disabled or poor we’re just sent back home. Asylum seekers are a drop in the ocean.
Whammyyammy · 18/08/2021 17:20

@sadperson16

Have I missed something ? Has Boris made a speech and asked young women to host men who have just escaped from Afghanistan ,leaving the women behind?
No, but you can doth your halo on MN by stating that you have offered your spare room apparently....
Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:21

Set 3

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Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:21

Set 4 my temporary

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/08/2021 17:21

They have worked with the British Army and other officials and will speak fluent English with skills which will enable many to get jobs

What, all 20,000 of them?? The figure mentioned originally for those who'd "helped the troops" was about 2,300, so I'm not sure how it's swelled to nearly eight times that number?

Xenia · 18/08/2021 17:22

That chair is like most home owners have! We don't live in palaces. Our tax bills are so high we have scuffs and marks over loads of things at home. No reason tenants should be in a better position.

Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:22

Temporary Accommodation

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onlychildhamster · 18/08/2021 17:24

@Xenia you really don't need to worry about the people from Hong Kong. The average price of a flat in HK is well in excess of a million, they can afford most of the housing stock in London, many of those apartments and houses in prime central london are standing empty because locals can't really afford them as residential property so they are bought by investors. The HKers can buy those houses, it's not like I can afford a £2 million apartment in Knightsbridge anyway.

As for the refugees, they would probably be resettled in parts of the country with cheaper housing and those tend to have lower population density (and most young people have left for the cities). Anyway with the covid/Brexit exodus of Eastern European workers, we need lower paid workers...

Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:25

Sorry I think I posted some extra. It would only let me do 3 at a time and got mixed up. But theses are some pictures 9f my temporary accommodation and bits mu children have suffered from bedbugs . We have also been riddled with mice . Cock roaches and millions of red ants .

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Jellycatspyjamas · 18/08/2021 17:26

@Kidsteens, what awful living conditions - wholly unacceptable in civilised society.

You’ll be comforted to know that accommodation allocated to asylum seekers is in the whole at least as bad, if not worse, than the disgraceful accommodation provided to you.

chaosrabbitland · 18/08/2021 17:26

@Jellycatspyjamas

No, what’s happening at Calais is hoards of people being kept in absolute squalor.
the problem is , no country really wants migrants , the french dont , hence why they are happy for boatloads of them to leave their shores and come here , italy dont want them , spain no , greece no , and most definately not hungary , i did read yesterday that macron has said france wont be taking afghan refugees and greece has said no as well to more , , just no country wants them . its all very well our goverment saying we will take 20.000 of afghans ,and many commenting on here are in favour , but im betting nationwide its a different story . as it is for the citizans of the countries iv mentioned above , they arent going to want their govement to take in more

when angela merkal threw open the doors to refugees a few years ago i did read it cost her alot of popularity with the german people
the bottom line is that most of these countries dont want these migrants , they have no clue what to do with them ,hence why they wind up living in these camps for ages , and then they want to come to the uk , because they think its better , except really it isnt , as its already been pointed out before , they are kept in barracks , hotels , minimal money given , cant work ,
it is sad they left their countries , risked their lives coming here , but its not the land of milk and honey the people smugglers have told them .
i dont know what the answer is , i really dont , but i think until we have a goverment that sorts out more bloody social housing , we get more people that are already sitting in temp accomdation moved out into a home .
the nhs is sorted out one way or another and the desperate shortage of gps is addressed ,i dont think we should be taking in more refugees , there are already loads sitting in hotels /barracks that are there indefinately until their claims are proceesed which seems to take forever and if they are found not to be eligible to stay they dont seem to be getting deported at speed , and yet here we are boris johnson has said we will accept more .
until the problems we are already facing are addressed there will always be resistance from members of the public about migrants / refugees

Silvergreen · 18/08/2021 17:28

Is the decapitated rat necessary?

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/08/2021 17:30

The problems we face here are wholly the result of a government driven by self interest and an electorate who keep voting them in. I agree these problems need to be addressed, but it won’t ever happen under the current government.

Kidsteens · 18/08/2021 17:32

@Silvergreen

Is the decapitated rat necessary?
Yes and no . But if you are shocked/upset about it . How do you think we felt finding it
Bluebellsinparadise · 18/08/2021 17:38

I think the picture of decapitated rat is necessary

chaosrabbitland · 18/08/2021 17:38

@Jellycatspyjamas

The problems we face here are wholly the result of a government driven by self interest and an electorate who keep voting them in. I agree these problems need to be addressed, but it won’t ever happen under the current government.
i agree with you , i didnt vote for them , but then boris johnson was only voted for so the leavers could have their precious brexit , how useless he was going to be about everything else mattered not as long as he delivered that , i do wonder though if people just vote tory because all the alternatives are crap though ,
mrsborisjohnson · 18/08/2021 17:42

They will need a lot of help and support, not only just housing, schooling and health but also language support, familiarisation (how to set up a bank account, access health care etc), access to adult education which will lead to jobs and independence. Many refugees come from rural societies and have little experience of living and thriving in Western developed economies.

I've worked with people who had been given leave to remain, formerly asylum seekers and refugees, many from Afghanistan, and in my experience, the government schemes put in place 20 years ago that I was working on were wildly unrealistic. Many of these people were illiterate in their own language, never mind in English, so sitting in a classroom itself was a complete mystery to them (with a few highly educated exceptions), never mind learning to read and write in a foreign language, however, with the scheme they were on they were expected to become fluent and ready for work in a matter of a few months. Many had never had jobs, or had only worked for the family - shops, farming etc - so time-keeping and other aspects of the world of work was something entirely new to them. They have come from cultures steeped in homophobia and misogyny, which may also cause problems with employability, socially, street harassment, making pests of themselves to young women etc. Many asked me how to 'get a woman' (including men who admitted they were married but it was just 'expected') and some slept with prostitutes. The majority of these migrants then and now are young men, usually around 80-90%, which makes me wonder about the poor women that have been left behind. As young men who had never lived independently, they struggled with basic self-care, cooking, hygiene etc, and needed continual support for filling in the myriad forms required to live in Britain - benefits, housing, health, taxation, tv licence, driving licence - some got in trouble for driving without licences. Of course, some will integrate and flourish, given time and enough of the right support, but we're talking about a hell of a lot of monetary investment first, and a support system that simply wasn't in place when I was working in this area. If you don't have this, what you end up with is ghettos, as can be seen in other parts of Europe where the streets are full of immigrant men but no women walking around in these areas, because they face harassment or worse. I would hate to see that happen in the UK, and so a plan for integration is needed. I of course think the UK should help those in need, but the plan has to be realistic in terms of the numbers to be let in and the kind of support they are given, and the money will have to come from somewhere. Those speaking of the EU workers who have left the UK and the foreign students no longer coming in fail to realise that these groups lived independently and were bringing money into the country and paying taxes, whereas it's likely that a lot of these immigrants will be on benefits for years. This is simply my experience, I'm not trying to demonise the migrants, many of whom it was a pleasure to meet, but people need to be aware exactly how much support they are likely to need and how much money that will cost.

sadperson16 · 18/08/2021 17:48

@mrsborisjohnson a very interesting post from somebody who actually knows what they are talking about.

chaosrabbitland · 18/08/2021 17:48

i confess i do read the daily mail online , mainly because its free , but the main headline is that the taliban have ringed off the airport , no one without a foreign passport is being allowed in . its chaos by the looks of the pictures and videos , sadly i dont think even with countries like the uk offering places the people of afghanistan arent going to just be allowed to leave , they arent going to make it easy for them , its such a desperate situation . the whole withdrawl looks like it was a big big mistake

WitchWand · 18/08/2021 17:49

@BoredZelda

Please can we have a bit less of the "furriners jumping housing queue" UKIP bigotry?

I recall watching a reality TV documentary following people looking for social housing in Portsmouth. Every person featured who were waiting for a home (many who kept refusing the ones they were offered) would beat that immigrants were getting all the good homes and that’s why they were left being offered these places. They weren’t slummy type properties, one woman refused a second floor flat because she didn’t like heights. They also spoke to those working in the housing dept and they were explaining what the problems with the stock were. The figure they gave was that 95% of the council housing in the area was occupied by British born people.

They featured a migrant who was living on the streets, he applied for a job but needed an address and despite the fact he was living rough, he wasn’t eligible for a council property immediately.

There is a lot of misinformation peddled by the tabloids and UKIP. Sadly people believe it rather than actually looking in to find out the other side of the story.

At this time when Afghans are undergoing such extreme suffering, I have a really hard time empathising with people who can't see far enough beyond their own backyard to acknowledge the gulf between the concepts of discomfort in The UK and severe cruelty which is so harmful that the term "life-threatening" in no way sums it up for Afghans.

Thanks for posting your responses, the both of you. Instead of remaining speechless, I breathed a sigh of relief when I read your responses. You have translated my strong gut feelings into concrete rational words.

justamomentplease · 18/08/2021 17:51

We should be helping people, and not putting them into what are effectively slums.

My grandparents came here as war refugees from Eastern Europe at the end of WW2. My GD had served the English as a spy and my GM and her children (my DF wasn't born then) had to flee from the Nazis. When my GF was located he was also allowed to come here to join them and the whole family settled permanently (and went on to have my DF, who is as 'English' as they come at face value as he was born and raised here and he then married a local woman, my DM).

They, along with lots of people from their original area, remained, were given housing for life (v different times!) and worked and paid tax until retirement. They were good, skilled, hardworking people who were just unlucky in that they were born somewhere where it stopped being safe to live and they literally risked death by being there. There are still lots of the descendants living locally - we're all on nodding/friendly hello terms, having been through schools together - the third generation is being born/young children now as the last of the original generation have died out over the last decade.

Without that help and chance so many families here wouldn't exist. I wouldn't hesitate to help out a refugee - I wouldn't personally give a room in my home to any stranger, British or not, because I have young children but as for donations, volunteering etc then I will be looking to see what I can do to help.

We're all human beings at the end of the day, and we're only born where we are out of luck.

sadperson16 · 18/08/2021 17:54

Sorry but the picture of the baby....is everything OK. His right rib seems to be sticking out? Sorry, no wish to offend in any way.

plodalong12 · 18/08/2021 17:56

@Silvergreen

Is the decapitated rat necessary?
Wtf?

@Jellycatspyjamas

You’ll be comforted to know that accommodation allocated to asylum seekers is in the whole at least as bad, if not worse, than the disgraceful accommodation provided to you.

And again, wtf?

@Kidsteens
That picture of your child is so upsetting, it really shouldn’t be like that in this country but unfortunately it happens all too often. And your other pictures look like some of the places I lived in. I wish I’d kept some of the pics, in fact I’m going to look if I did.

paddlingon · 18/08/2021 17:58

@Kidsteens the conditions you are living in are bad.
The refugees in Afghanistan aren't going to impact your ability to gain different housing.
It is the underfunding of LA and HA housing that has done this.

Asylum seekers housing has a different income stream.

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