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Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

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Meeklynamechanged · 17/08/2021 22:16

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

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VioletSand · 18/08/2021 01:32

Yeah you got it wrong .... maybe read properly before commenting?

I have read it. Perhaps I just don't interpret things the same way you do. As I said I'm autistic and I think you're being very aggressive for no reason when people are just trying to discuss what would work to actually help to make things better for some very vulnerable people.

Silvershroud · 18/08/2021 01:33

We are the 5th wealthiest country in the world. If we wanted to build a dozen new cities we could (we would rather build HS2 because our donors benefit).

VioletSand · 18/08/2021 01:35

I'm sorry I misjudged you. There was a lot in the news today about the UK prioritising women and children. So I read that post as someone who assumed the UK would stick with that policy.

Like you I think splitting families makes things worse. But in some cases, it's likely the government will prioritize women whose husbands are missing or dead and who have no male support. That's because they tend to accept refugees who have already made it to another country and are stuck in a refugee camp. A woman without male support would be vulnerable there and might get priority.

Thank you - I really appreciate this message and didn't mean to offend you in any way. I am just heartbroken by what is happening and then at the thought of traumatised families also being separated on top of that, or adolescent boys left behind. It's awful. 😔 And I agree makes the women and children who do get out even more vulnerable and less able to cope. I think we both think similarly I just sometimes don't express myself very well, I'm sorry.

VioletSand · 18/08/2021 01:40

[quote gardeninggirl68]@VioletSand why should I sleep? Assuming again? Perhaps I work nights ... or have just come off night shifts.

You understood perfectly [/quote]
And honestly this about sleep was honestly meant, just because it is late and I struggle to sleep so was wishing you also to get some, no bad intent.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 01:41

We are on the same side here. I am glad you made your point, because I've seen a few posts on this site today saying the UK should only admit women and children. It's good to see another poster pointing out what that means in practice. Men can escape more easily so there are more young make refugees about. But they are human beings who don't want to be separated from their families any more than the rest of us, men or women. Thanks.

VioletSand · 18/08/2021 01:45

Thank you. Exactly. It's all just so distressing and they've been through so much already, we shouldn't be actively splitting up families. Thanks for being kind and I'm sorry I misunderstood some of the posts.

paddlingon · 18/08/2021 01:46

The Scottish First Minister is always saying that they have an under-population problem so they can go up there. Plenty of empty little islands off the Scottish coast. Of course the wifi may not be up to much.

I suspect that this post was written to sarky.

Here are two businesses that started on the small island I grew up on. Created by Syrian refugees now with branches in other parts of Scotland.

I agree the WiFi isn't great but it is ok.

So yes, depopulated Scottish islands are a great idea.

Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?
Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?
VioletSand · 18/08/2021 01:54

[quote gardeninggirl68]@VioletSand

Evacuation form Afghanistan- women? http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4325217-Evacuation-form-Afghanistan-women

A whole thread on it[/quote]
Ok. As I said I am sorry, I had not read this news. I wasn't trying to cause offence just asking why we would separate families like this, it seems barbaric.

ozymandiusking · 18/08/2021 01:58

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PickUpAPepper Tue 17-Aug-21 22:44:36

Meanwhile London is stuffed full of expensive, empty investment properties
Good places for refugees then?

It is a valid question and one I’m normally always asking. The current situation in Afghanistan is entirely of the U.K.’s and US’s making though.

Really!! I don't think so. Have you heard of the Taliban?

Worstyear2020 · 18/08/2021 03:06

supermoonrising

Don’t forget approx 200,000 people from Hong Kong will be arriving in the next three years or so. Build build build!

Hmm They will be here to buy properties not queuing up for social housing.

MariposaLilly · 18/08/2021 03:40

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LifesNotEnidBlyton · 18/08/2021 04:23

Well without wanting to be taken the wrong way, because I 100 % think we, and every country who can, should be giving people asylum here, I don't know how some of these ideas would actually work.

For example the idea of places like like empty palaces or the second homes of the super rich being used.

To who would these places be sold? Because if they are sold to the government to use as housing for the needy then the money to buy them will need to come from somewhere. Then money to convert them into something that could be used, because you obviously can't just open the doors of a few hundred year old palaces and put families in there, they'd need about gutting and making into apartments. So, even if we had the money to do this, would it not be a more useful idea to spend that money on building up (apartment blocks for hundreds of people to live in built on the sites of buildings standing desolate and creating an eyesore that are in every city in the UK) instead of totally obliterating architecture that has been standing for hundreds of years, and is so important to our heritage?

Then with second homes the problem is where do you put the line on how much money a person can have? Because someone might have two homes because their parents left them a house somewhere, so no it's not good that it's empty when it could house a family, but how do you do this? You can't just say that anyone who owns a home they don't live in it has to give it away for free, and if the government are going to buy it then you have the same problem as above. Then you would have the problem that some people might have 100 million but no second home, but someone might have no money but two homes and be made to sell one for a low price, when people are sitting on money they just haven't used that could be used to help people. But then why should they? Obviously people should want to but you can't actually tell people what to spend their money on that they have earned. Without going into some sort of communist state some people are going to stay super rich and some are going to stay poor.

On top of this you have the problem that working people might find it quite wrong that a family are just "given" a five bedroom house somewhere picturesque, that someone thought was good enough to spend money on a second home, when most working people are finding they cant afford to buy somewhere small for their family. from their wages in cheaper area. So you'd open up to more people exploiting this and trying to get themselves someones old second home, and to bad feeling from people who don't earn so little as to be "given" one, but don't earn enough to buy one.
So if someone who thinks that the forced sale of second homes and the use of anywhere that's empty being converted into homes would work it would be intresting to hear how they would do this. Actually intresting not wanting to cause an argument as obviously something does need to be done, and it does seem wrong places stand empty when people need them, but it just isn't as easy as some seem to think, and when people say this would be a good idea they don't usually explain how they think it would be done.

Before anyone asks, no, I don't have a second home, I am not rich, and wouldn't lose out in any way if this did happen.

ThymeafterThyme · 18/08/2021 04:53

@Clocktopus

Are most of the refugees from Afghanistan male?

Priority is going to be given to women and girls.

Really? I didn't see many women and girls at the airport. It was men trampling over each other to get on the planes out of there.
Fangdango · 18/08/2021 05:17

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Fangdango · 18/08/2021 05:21

The airport is a temporary, highly visible, site for this refugee crisis. A tiny minority of those fleeing the Taliban are there. The UK will take whoever it chooses to admit as refugees under the scheme it plans over the next five years - that scheme isn't about Kabul airport.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 05:26

@LifesNotEnidBlyton

Well without wanting to be taken the wrong way, because I 100 % think we, and every country who can, should be giving people asylum here, I don't know how some of these ideas would actually work.

For example the idea of places like like empty palaces or the second homes of the super rich being used.

To who would these places be sold? Because if they are sold to the government to use as housing for the needy then the money to buy them will need to come from somewhere. Then money to convert them into something that could be used, because you obviously can't just open the doors of a few hundred year old palaces and put families in there, they'd need about gutting and making into apartments. So, even if we had the money to do this, would it not be a more useful idea to spend that money on building up (apartment blocks for hundreds of people to live in built on the sites of buildings standing desolate and creating an eyesore that are in every city in the UK) instead of totally obliterating architecture that has been standing for hundreds of years, and is so important to our heritage?

Then with second homes the problem is where do you put the line on how much money a person can have? Because someone might have two homes because their parents left them a house somewhere, so no it's not good that it's empty when it could house a family, but how do you do this? You can't just say that anyone who owns a home they don't live in it has to give it away for free, and if the government are going to buy it then you have the same problem as above. Then you would have the problem that some people might have 100 million but no second home, but someone might have no money but two homes and be made to sell one for a low price, when people are sitting on money they just haven't used that could be used to help people. But then why should they? Obviously people should want to but you can't actually tell people what to spend their money on that they have earned. Without going into some sort of communist state some people are going to stay super rich and some are going to stay poor.

On top of this you have the problem that working people might find it quite wrong that a family are just "given" a five bedroom house somewhere picturesque, that someone thought was good enough to spend money on a second home, when most working people are finding they cant afford to buy somewhere small for their family. from their wages in cheaper area. So you'd open up to more people exploiting this and trying to get themselves someones old second home, and to bad feeling from people who don't earn so little as to be "given" one, but don't earn enough to buy one.
So if someone who thinks that the forced sale of second homes and the use of anywhere that's empty being converted into homes would work it would be intresting to hear how they would do this. Actually intresting not wanting to cause an argument as obviously something does need to be done, and it does seem wrong places stand empty when people need them, but it just isn't as easy as some seem to think, and when people say this would be a good idea they don't usually explain how they think it would be done.

Before anyone asks, no, I don't have a second home, I am not rich, and wouldn't lose out in any way if this did happen.

You are right, and nobody needs the extreme measures you are describing to house a couple of families per council per year. People's generosity and fear alike are distorting our view of the numbers we have agreed to take. It's not that many.
worstofbothworlds · 18/08/2021 05:31

We have a lot of older student housing stock that students don't want to live in now that they prefer the huge student new build apartments. It's being let to refugees and we have a refugee city status. Some lovely volunteer organisations - we mainly get families due to the nature of the housing. English classes, craft groups, baby goods donations, potluck dinners.

savethewales · 18/08/2021 05:50

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Fangdango · 18/08/2021 05:57

Yes, that's the kind of practical, human scale solution we need.

Fangdango · 18/08/2021 05:58

That was @worstofbothworlds but maybe works @savethewales too ...

jasjas1973 · 18/08/2021 06:07

@Worstyear2020

supermoonrising

Don’t forget approx 200,000 people from Hong Kong will be arriving in the next three years or so. Build build build!

Hmm They will be here to buy properties not queuing up for social housing.

Its up to 2,8 million HK, the Govt has no idea how many will arrive & many are not wealthy or young, they are older and not well off..

If we provided state social housing, as we used, there wouldn't be a housing crisis.

jasjas1973 · 18/08/2021 06:13

@MariposaLilly

Your post is quite ironic, criticising aghans for fleeing the country, considering you fucked off to the USA for 50 years, only coming back here to get better care in your old age, as you can no longer afford health insurance?

The Tories have been in power for most of the 50 year period you are complaining about - yet its the lefties fault?

Etinox · 18/08/2021 06:18

@ferretface

Meanwhile London is stuffed full of expensive, empty investment properties which contributes to the domestic housing shortage. We should stop courting billionaires and tax exiles and build houses for normal people to live in.
Yes, great swathe of riverside London full of sold, empty flats Angry
Sadiecow · 18/08/2021 06:19

@ThymeafterThyme

FFS. They are human. Just like you aspire to be

I don't aspire to be human, I just am. Please let's try and have a sensible discussion. Would you want a man who is a stranger living in your house?

Not the same but I host foreign students, sone are make and they are strangers at first but not for long.

I've built fabulous relationships with them, make and female.

No students at the moment, but I'll certainly be looking at the refugee scheme posted here.

Not all men are dangerous. The vast majority aren't.

Sarahlou63 · 18/08/2021 06:21

@ThymeafterThyme

FFS. They are human. Just like you aspire to be

I don't aspire to be human, I just am. Please let's try and have a sensible discussion. Would you want a man who is a stranger living in your house?

I’ve got a man who is a stranger in the next room right now. And another man who is a stranger in the caravan outside - both are volunteers and I am very grateful for the work they do in return for food and accommodation. So, yes is the answer to question.
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