Where will the refugees coming to the UK live?

[Meeklynamechanged]

In no way a goady thread, I fully support helping the people fleeing such horrid circumstances, but genuine question.. where will they live? Where do we put people?

Where I live we have people waiting 10 years for a council property. Most areas around the UK have a huge deficit in available housing that doesn't meet demand.

With so many families stuck in overcrowded hostels and B&B's, families of 5 in 1 bed flats, I can't see where all of the required the housing will come from?

I am a lone parent BTW but not sure how that has any relevance, refugees will have all kinds of family structures which should be kept in tact as much as possible surely, not deliberately separated? I don't understand what you mean.

@VioletSand

I agree and have said the same

They will need to keep life simple without having to negotiate long journeys ( expensive) for a loaf of bread

If it's just women and children then the women start off life in a new country as a LONE parent!

Why would it just be women and children? Women fleeing with their families should be forced to leave their husbands behind? Often the man might be at increased risk due to supporting UK/ US troops with trying to establish the previous Government. Any older male siblings over 18 should be left there, alone?

What a bizarre and callous comment.

Why is it a callous comment? I'm going off what is said on the news.....women and children are to be prioritised

‘Glorified refugee camps’? as a temporary measure they will do the job. They look better than a caravan park! It’s not a permanent solution - but I would take it as a clean solution til my accommodation problem is assessed and processed for the long term.

Well speaking of caravan parks.... they have all been spruced up for the influx of U.K. holidaymakers. Could they be used for refugees instead?

@violetsand

Are you trying to twist my posts in order to be indeed? As that is not what I said....at all and you know that....

Why is it a callous comment? I'm going off what is said on the news.....women and children are to be prioritised.

Because you are advocating separating children from their fathers and husbands from their wives and children and older teenage sons from their mothers and siblings when they must already be traumatised and terrified.

*offended

[quote gardeninggirl68]@violetsand

Are you trying to twist my posts in order to be indeed? As that is not what I said....at all and you know that....

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Sorry I do not understand what this means. But I'm going to bed now. I hope you also get some sleep.

@VioletSand

Why is it a callous comment? I'm going off what is said on the news.....women and children are to be prioritised.

Because you are advocating separating children from their fathers and husbands from their wives and children and older teenage sons from their mothers and siblings when they must already be traumatised and terrified.

Er, no. No I'm not 'advocating' anything....in fact if you read my post I said the news had reported 'women and children are to be prioritised....hence my comment that the women are at a further disadvantage by starting off life in a new country as a lone parent

Why are you trying to twist my post in order to come across all outraged? Read back maybe

You will also see where I expressed concern for the elderly left behind, as well as those hospitalised and in homes

@VioletSand why should I sleep? Assuming again? Perhaps I work nights ... or have just come off night shifts.

You understood perfectly

@StoneofDestiny

‘Glorified refugee camps’? as a temporary measure they will do the job. They look better than a caravan park! It’s not a permanent solution - but I would take it as a clean solution til my accommodation problem is assessed and processed for the long term.

As a temporary measure, they look expensive - hotels, caravan parks etc could be better. If for longer term use, we should balance space available vs refugees' needs, not put them in expensive areas without infrastructure to support them. Better than nothing, and would be great to see refugees well housed. But I don't think we should use them as a hammer for social justice. House them decently and work to help them integrate in normal communities.

@VioletSand

Why is it a callous comment? I'm going off what is said on the news.....women and children are to be prioritised.

Because you are advocating separating children from their fathers and husbands from their wives and children and older teenage sons from their mothers and siblings when they must already be traumatised and terrified.

She clearly wasn't. Her point was that if women and children arrived alone (as UK gov statements have suggested) the women would have to survive in a new country as single parents. That's relevant to how we'd address housing needs.

@JackieCollinshasnoauthority

Wales. We've abolished right to buy, we're investing in social housing and we want to welcome refugees.

Well, someone has to live there, I suppose. 😉

It's bad enough being a lone parent in this country.... but to come in as one with all the worry of what's happening to male family left behind? As well as no husband to lean on for support

The women would maybe need to have a support network where they could leave their children safely to be minded whilst they do all the paperwork, shopping, etc.

I assume translators will be working with them.

She clearly wasn't. Her point was that if women and children arrived alone (as UK gov statements have suggested) the women would have to survive in a new country as single parents. That's relevant to how we'd address housing needs.

That's not how it seemed to me from the posts, but I am autistic so perhaps I misinterpreted it. She seemed to be implying that them arriving as lone parents was a foregone conclusion when it is not: if that is what happens then it is a policy choice that would be changed if everybody objected to it on the basis that it's inhumane for the reasons I have explained.

@Meeklynamechanged

100s of Thousands expected to move here from Hong Kong, why?

I'm clearly not up to date on current affairs because it's the first I've heard of that.

Don’t you ever read or listen to the news?

people have a very warped idea of numbers. The number of displaced people from Hong Kong and Afghanistan combined, projected to enter the country next year will be less than 5% of the number of UK residents who will be expected to die in a normal year. So will have negligible effect on the population as a whole, and less effect on the use of housing stock

Not only that, but we already have asylum seeker accommodation,

@54321nought

people have a very warped idea of numbers. The number of displaced people from Hong Kong and Afghanistan combined, projected to enter the country next year will be less than 5% of the number of UK residents who will be expected to die in a normal year. So will have negligible effect on the population as a whole, and less effect on the use of housing stock

Not only that, but we already have asylum seeker accommodation,

That's good to know then

@VioletSand

Evacuation form Afghanistan- women? http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4325217-Evacuation-form-Afghanistan-women

A whole thread on it

@gardeninggirl68

It's bad enough being a lone parent in this country.... but to come in as one with all the worry of what's happening to male family left behind? As well as no husband to lean on for support

The women would maybe need to have a support network where they could leave their children safely to be minded whilst they do all the paperwork, shopping, etc.

I assume translators will be working with them.

Exactly. And lots of therapy. And GPs and shops and schools that won't be available if we set up temporary shelters in unpopulated areas.

@VioletSand

She clearly wasn't. Her point was that if women and children arrived alone (as UK gov statements have suggested) the women would have to survive in a new country as single parents. That's relevant to how we'd address housing needs.

That's not how it seemed to me from the posts, but I am autistic so perhaps I misinterpreted it. She seemed to be implying that them arriving as lone parents was a foregone conclusion when it is not: if that is what happens then it is a policy choice that would be changed if everybody objected to it on the basis that it's inhumane for the reasons I have explained.

I'm sorry I misjudged you. There was a lot in the news today about the UK prioritising women and children. So I read that post as someone who assumed the UK would stick with that policy.

Like you I think splitting families makes things worse. But in some cases, it's likely the government will prioritize women whose husbands are missing or dead and who have no male support. That's because they tend to accept refugees who have already made it to another country and are stuck in a refugee camp. A woman without male support would be vulnerable there and might get priority.