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My parents are Anti-Vax and think they are more clever

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Mikadua23 · 15/08/2021 09:38

My parents are in their early 50s , both work and when covid first started my mum was first to go and wear face mask and buy boxes of antibac gels of from amazon.

Now... they think covid is basically a piece of shit made of story and they laugh at people who still wear masks or take the vaccine suggesting that the are the "clever ones" because they know more.
I guess it's easy for them to say and laugh when they haven't actually lost anyone due to covid(luckily) .....
I personally know friends who had lost their loved ones and my views are completely different.
I stop pushing them to get the vaccination because each time I have it ended in big arguments.
I had covid while being pregnant and seriously it was the worst 2 weeks of my life, luckily I didn't need to be hospitalised.

They aren't scientists or doctors and it passes me right off that they gather their knowledge from Google/Facebook and other ridiculous sources. 🙄

I want them to be safe.

They believe that all vaccinated people will basically die soon due to effect and that the vaccination is being tested on us right now.

I wouldn't care any longer about their views if not that every single thing that happens is seen as a covid vaccine side effect, for example - my auntie got lost last weekend, she basically got herself so drunk to the point she passed out and nobody was able to find her.
She was so drunk that she fell and slept on grass on the country side.
Whole family was very worried, she has been found safe after a good few hours however my parents put it down to Covid vaccine side effects and she had her jab 1 week before.

It is getting really ridiculous.
I just hate the little mean comments they make towards me or my husband trying to make a point to show us that we are worse than them for getting the vaccine or believing in covid.

Ugh.

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Anniegetyourgun · 16/08/2021 11:21

They also seem to be rather fonder of their conspiracy theories than they are of their children Hmm. That suggests to me that somewhere, deep down, they don't really believe it. They just choose to embrace it.

Hemingwaycat · 16/08/2021 11:26

I think I’d struggle to engage with them. I had a friend like this once and I really did find the shit he came out with utterly hilarious. It was just too difficult to take it seriously. He was a flat earther, he also ‘didn’t believe in’ vaccines or medication of any sort including something as basic as paracetamol. He thought it was all poison. He also had an expensive water filter in his house to ‘filter out the crap they add to tap water’ so he’d put all of his water for cooking, hot drinks etc through a filter first. He thought microwaves were evil and that they omitted dangerous carcinogenic radiation. He also bought into the David Icke shit so the Queen is a blood sucking lizard apparently and she kills children to stay alive… Major eye roll.

Dread to think what he’s had to say about covid, no doubt the Jews invented it because almost all of his spurious crap followed an anti- Semitic theme.

thenewduchessofhastings · 16/08/2021 11:28

My friends late ex husband was like this;he died 2 weeks ago from covid.

The vaccine wouldn't have prevented him from getting covid but he'd most likely still be alive right now.

Hopeisallineed · 16/08/2021 11:32

I have a Facebook friend who has just posted an anti-vax video of a nurse that is doing the rounds. She is utterly convinced, that because a nurse is saying it, it must be true. I can’t even talk to her at the moment. She is beyond ridiculous. Not sure what I would do if it were my parents, at least I don’t really have to engage with said friend.

Hopeisallineed · 16/08/2021 11:36

I just don’t understand how anyone can havecc BC a convincing argument for the flat earth nonsense? I mean their is actual evidence that is pretty impossible to refute from thousands of different sources,curveture of the earth photos, videos, and the fact you don’t drop off the side.

Hopeisallineed · 16/08/2021 11:36

whoops! Have a

MaryBellingham11432 · 16/08/2021 15:18

1: Keep calm
While it's important to confront falsehoods, it's never useful if things end up in a flaming row. "My number one rule would be to not spoil Christmas," says Mick West, author of Escaping the Rabbit Hole. "An angry, heated conversation will leave everyone feeling rubbish and further cement conspiracy beliefs." Psychologist Jovan Byford, a lecturer at the Open University, notes that conspiracy theories often have a strong emotional dimension. "They are not just about right and wrong," he says, "but underpinned by feelings of resentment, anger and indignation over how the world works." And they've boomed this year, with many searching for grand explanations for the pandemic, American politics, and huge world events. Catherine from the Isle of Wight understands that better than most. The 38-year-old used to be a big believer in conspiracies about vaccines being used to deliberately harm people. She's since rejected such claims. "It is extremely important to remain calm at all times," she says. "Whoever you're talking to is often just as passionate as you are about your own beliefs and will defend them to the grave."

2: Don't be dismissive
"Approach conversations with friends and family with empathy rather than ridicule," says Claire Wardle from First Draft, a not-for-profit which fights misinformation. "Listen to what they have to say with patience." Her golden rule is: never publicly shame someone for their views. That's likely to backfire. "If you do decide to discuss conspiracy theories, don't be dismissive of the other person's beliefs," Jovan Byford agrees. "Establish some common ground."
Remember that people often believe conspiracy theories because deep down, they're worried or anxious. Try to understand those feelings - particularly in a year like the one we've just had.

3: Encourage critical thinking
People who believe conspiracy theories often say: "I do my own research." The problem is that their research tends to consist of watching fringe YouTube videos, following random people on Facebook, and cherry-picking evidence from biased Twitter accounts. But the spirit of doubt that pervades the conspiracy-minded internet is actually a key opening for rational thought, says Jovan Byford. "Many people who believe in conspiracy theories see themselves as healthy sceptics and self-taught researchers into complex issues," he says. "Present this as something that, in principle, you value and share. "Your aim is not to make them less curious or sceptical, but to change what they are curious about, or sceptical of." That's what helped Phil from Belfast. He used to be big into 9/11 conspiracies. "I used to point out the fact that there were various experts who doubted official stories. This was very persuasive to me," he explains. "Why would these experts lie?" But then he began applying scepticism not to just "official sources" but also the alternative "experts" that was listening to. He developed a deeper understanding of the scientific method and scepticism itself. Just because one expert believes something, doesn't make it true. "You can find experts and very intelligent people who lend credence to any position," he says. "Focus on those who are pushing these ideas, and what they might be getting," says Claire Wardle. "For instance, financial gain by selling health supplements, or reputational gain in building a following."

4: Ask questions
Fact-checking is important, but it's often not the right approach when someone passionately believes in conspiracies. Questions are much more effective than assertions, experts say. "Focusing on the tactics and techniques used by people pushing disinformation is a more effective way of addressing these conversations than trying to debunk the information," Claire Wardle says. Think of general queries that encourage people to think about what they believe. For instance, are some of their beliefs contradictory? Do the details of the theory they're describing make much sense? Have they thought about the counter-evidence? "By asking questions and getting people to realise the flaws, you ultimately get people to doubt their own confidence and open them up to hearing alternative views," says former conspiracy believer Phil.

5: Don't expect immediate results
You might be hoping that a constructive conversation will end with some kind of epiphany over Christmas pudding - but don't bet on it. For those who have fallen deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole, getting out again can be a very long process. "Be realistic about what you can achieve," psychologist Jovan Byford warns. "Conspiracy theories instil in believers a sense of superiority. It's an important generator of self-esteem - which will make them resistant to change."
For fact-checker Claire Wardle, it's not just about bruised egos. This year has been scary - and for many, conspiracy theories have been a source of comfort. "Recognise that everyone has had their lives turned upside down, and is seeking explanations," she says. "Conspiracy theories tend to be simple, powerful stories that explain the world. Reality is complex and messy, which is harder for our brains to process." But the experts agree that even if you don't see immediate results - don't give up.

Hopeisallineed · 16/08/2021 15:55

@MaryBellingham11432 all that shit isn’t going to work. You can’t argue with stupid. Honestly I think if people are so far in to conspiracy theories, there’s no point in engaging. My brother is one, it is just exasperating on all levels. I just nod, and change the subject.

OrlandointheWilderness · 16/08/2021 15:59

There is no point arguing with people like that.

Laquila · 16/08/2021 16:01

@dudsville

I wouldn't bother engaging with, replying to or instigating discussions with them on these topics. If they believe the earth is flat, etc., then they're working from an entirely different way of thinking. No bridge crosses that divide. They'll only change their minds if people from their way of thinking change and convince them to do the same. Don't worry if they think they're smarter, the dumbest people often do.
In a nutshell, really.
OrlandointheWilderness · 16/08/2021 16:04

@Sobeyondthehills

I personally would ignore, or the other option is to go more batshit.

The Earth is flat - actually its not completely flat other wise the elephants wouldn't be able to carry it and not get wet

Vaccines - People are not going to die, well they might do and then come back as Zombies

Bill Gates is chipping us - Its because he loves Bargain hunt and can't get it where he is

I can go on but they come out with something, just go more batshit, I will say I mainly do this to wind up people, if they are so far gone that they might believe it, don't do it

Love the prachett reference!
Sobeyondthehills · 16/08/2021 21:50

@OrlandointheWilderness

Weirdly I have used that a fair number of times and only been pulled up on it once, where someone has known what I have talked about.

The other one I use is

Moon landings where faked - Yep Stanley Kubrick filmed them, but as such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on location.

Got away with that more times than I should have but lets you know of the intelliegence you are dealing with

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