Page 5 | Friends don’t believe in vaccinations or calpol

SmashingBlouson · 13/08/2021 07:13

The Calpol refusal won't happen, as people have said a screaming baby will soon change it.

I think there is a difference between refusing one vaccine and not having any at all. The former doesn't make you anti-vax, but just not keen on having one vaccine. I know a lot of people like this who get labelled anti-vax wrongly - their children have had vaccines, so how can they be. The fact your mate doesn't even consider any is alarming though. She seems anti any intervention and it is more about her beliefs than her children's wellbeing.

SimonJT · 13/08/2021 07:13

I hope she doesn’t have any form of medicine during birth, after all if she thinks a baby can manage without pain relief then a grown adult surely can.

My sons birth parent failed to fully vaccinate him, he now has two permanent disabilities because of their neglect, he ended up in PICU and is very lucky to be here and to only suffer the disabilities he has. I was once asked by an anti-vaxer at a playgroup why my son had one of his disabilities, it was quite satisfying being able to say that his neglectful birth parent had failed to vaccinate him.

LynetteScavo · 13/08/2021 07:18

Yeah, yeah and my child was never going to watch TV or eat anything non- organic.

That never happened.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 13/08/2021 07:18

Aibu to think it’s quite irresponsible if your child is ill not to get their temp down with calpol and that you are risking things getting a lot worse, especially with really small babies that get ill and deteriorate really fast

This is wrong.

A fever is the body's response to infection. Suppressing it can make things worse.

Calpol should only be used as an analgesic, not an antipyretic, unless directed otherwise by a doctor.

Many people ignore that, and get away with it, but that does not make it right.

Anti-vax is the bigger issue, and of course is something that's only ever seen in places where there is a large herd of fully immunised people. Just look at the queues for jabs when there is an outbreak (eg Wales, measles) and people who have made lazyumptiins about the disease not being a threat are jolted out of their complacency

Polkadots2021 · 13/08/2021 07:22

@Campingcarryon

I have some friends who are new parents and have declared that their child won’t be having any childhood vaccinations and that they also don’t believe in giving kids calpol or other medicines either.

Honestly, I didn’t know what to say when they said that to me- I haven’t come accross people who were anti calpol before 🤦‍♀️

Aibu to think it’s quite irresponsible if your child is ill not to get their temp down with calpol and that you are risking things getting a lot worse, especially with really small babies that get ill and deteriorate really fast. Let alone the whole anti vax position.

Honestly, I am still really baffled by their position to be honest. I think it’s really weird and irresponsible not to want your child to feel well 🤪

Give them time

when I was pregnant I decided I wasn't going to have the TV on ever, and we'd be in the park, playing, crafting, whatever, indefinitely. That lasted a few weeks

love cbeebies even now...

MyFloorIsLava · 13/08/2021 07:27

My relative doesn't use medicine at all and didn't vaccinate her DC or give painkillers. She was happy to feed them bags of wotsits at 8 months old though. My DC was squealing in pain through teething and I had tried to breastfeed her through it but to no avail, my relative looked like they were about to pass out when I whipped out the calpol (and I had a cheerful sunny natured baby shortly after.)

Soontobe60 · 13/08/2021 07:30

@babba2014

Plenty of people don't use Calpol and use other ways or homeopathy etc to bring down a temperature. We stopped using Calpol after our second and actually our kids hardly get ill now but if they do get ill it lasts a day and no more than that. Finding other ways to treat has been good and led us to a healthier for the body lifestyle. No point judging others. It's not a big deal.

So you’re happy for your child to be in pain? Can’t you see how cruel that is? In fact, I’d go so far as to say it’s neglect.

IWillWashTheGreenWillow · 13/08/2021 07:31

When I was pregnant for the first time, preparing my organic, environmentally-healthy nursery with a low carbon footprint and no nasty chemicals etc, my child was going to be allowed to fight their own bugs etc and develop natural immunity. I'm so sorry, I was 26 and thought I knew everything .

After DS1 was born by EMCS at 35 weeks due to a placental abruption, I'd had steroids to bring his lungs on and he'd had broad spectrum antibiotics "just in case" in SCBU before he was 12 hours old, I realised the actualities of having a genuine live human baby to care for, and stopped being a total dick.

Have this couple actually had their baby yet?

Soontobe60 · 13/08/2021 07:34

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

Aibu to think it’s quite irresponsible if your child is ill not to get their temp down with calpol and that you are risking things getting a lot worse, especially with really small babies that get ill and deteriorate really fast

This is wrong.

A fever is the body's response to infection. Suppressing it can make things worse.

Calpol should only be used as an analgesic, not an antipyretic, unless directed otherwise by a doctor.

Many people ignore that, and get away with it, but that does not make it right.

Anti-vax is the bigger issue, and of course is something that's only ever seen in places where there is a large herd of fully immunised people. Just look at the queues for jabs when there is an outbreak (eg Wales, measles) and people who have made lazyumptiins about the disease not being a threat are jolted out of their complacency

So why, when my granddaughter had an extremely high temperature caused by chicken pox, did the paediatrician in A+E insist she had paracetamol to bring her temp down? And what about a friend who’s baby had a high temp that wouldn’t come down with Calpol did the paramedics take him into hospital where he was given a higher dose of paracetamol? No suppressing a very high, continuous fever can lead to much worse consequences- febrile convulsions, stroke, epilepsy.. not sure I’d risk that.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 13/08/2021 07:38

"So why, when my granddaughter had an extremely high temperature caused by chicken pox, did the paediatrician in A+E insist she had paracetamol to bring her temp down?
And what about a friend who’s baby had a high temp that wouldn’t come down with Calpol did the paramedics take him into hospital where he was given a higher dose of paracetamol?
No suppressing a very high, continuous fever can lead to much worse consequences- febrile convulsions, stroke, epilepsy.. not sure I’d risk that"

For anyone else who did not read all of my post, I quote:

Calpol should only be used as an analgesic, not an antipyretic, unless directed otherwise by a doctor

What you have posted about doctors (and HCPs with prescribing responsibility) is entirely in agreement with what I posted

domesticgoddess3 · 13/08/2021 07:41

It's a useful medicine when needed, but it's still toxic.

How is it toxic? It’s just a bit of paracetamol

domesticgoddess3 · 13/08/2021 07:44

I think there is a difference between refusing one vaccine and not having any at all.

Why would you even refuse one vaccine? They’re all very important.

DaisyWaldron · 13/08/2021 07:46

Yes, the NHS advice is not to give paracetamol just to reduce a fever, but to use it if the baby is distressed by the illness.

ExpressDelivery · 13/08/2021 07:50

@domesticgoddess3

It's a useful medicine when needed, but it's still toxic.

How is it toxic? It’s just a bit of paracetamol

This is exactly my point, it's "just paracetamol" but it's still a powerful drug. It wouldn't be useful if not. There's a reason you can only buy two packs at a time.

It causes liver failure in overdose, but can also lead to liver damage as well as stomach problems and kidney damage if over used for long periods.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 13/08/2021 07:51

I knew one of these, I was looking after her child for a weekend (dds best friend) and she had a temp. Gave her calpol, she went mad as she only had homeopathic woo water. Anti vaccine too.

RampantIvy · 13/08/2021 07:57

IMO parents who have never given Calpol have been very lucky that their DC have never been ill enough to require it. They aren't better parents, just lucky.

Unfortunately DD spent a lot of time in hospital as a child, and her first dose of Calpol was given in hospital. It absolutely was necessary. DD was also prone to sharp spikes in temperature and was once blue lighted to hospital after she stopped breathing when having a febrile convulsion, so I was advised to dose her with Calpol if she showed signs of a raised temperature.

thepeopleversuswork · 13/08/2021 11:11

People who give their kids homeopathic remedies in place of approved medicines and reject vaccines lack the critical faculties needed to bring children up IMHO.

I think it should be a safeguarding matter.

And before anyone piped up with the “my body, my choice” nonsense: it’s not your body it’s your children’s bodies and the bodies of all other adults and children they come into contact with.

We have been far too indulgent for far too long of this sort of crap.

My dad nearly died of polio as a child and was seriously disabled for the whole of his life.

I seriously think people who can’t grasp what their responsibilities are to their children have no place having them.

RampantIvy · 13/08/2021 11:16

I remember seeing kids who had had polio. They wore metal callipers on their legs. I am too old to have had the MMR, and had measles as a child resulting in crap hearing and eyesight. I also had whooping cough and rubella.

It was a no brainer to get DD vaccinated.

I think all parents should visit the Thackray Medical Museum in Leeds. It gives a really good insight about the reality of life before modern medicine.

MissyB1 · 13/08/2021 11:30

Parents who have never given Calpol have been very lucky their dc have never been ill enough to require it, they aren’t better parents

This 👆
There are no medals for avoiding calpol. If a child needs it then they need it 🤷‍♀️

clpsmum · 13/08/2021 11:35

Oh dear call me judgemental but I couldn't be friends with people like that. So arrogant. People dying in other countries because basic medicine is unavailable yet these parents would rather see their child in pain. No sorry not people I could chose to share time with

Mandalay246 · 13/08/2021 12:04

How is it toxic? It’s just a bit of paracetamol

For crying out loud, of course it's toxic - you can easily overdose on it and die, and people have. My DF takes it daily and has his liver and kidney functions regularly monitored because of that. What an irresponsible attitude.

Spikeyball · 13/08/2021 12:36

Yes if you go over the safe dose. The problem is that people on it long term may go slightly over on a regular basis which is why people are monitored.

DeathByWalkies · 13/08/2021 13:02

This is straight out ouf the textbook of American anti vaxxers - they'll decline all vaccines, tylenol (aka paracetamol, aka calpol) and even vitamin K at birth.

Nutters, the lot of them, and dangerous with it.

RedMarauder · 13/08/2021 13:22

Parents today who refuse to have their children vaccinated have no clue what these illnesses do because they've never encountered them.

There is actually someone who is randomly on our TV screens who has a disability due to catching polio -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ade_Adepitan

He will be a presenter for the Paralympics this year on Channel 4.

Cheeseplantboots · 13/08/2021 13:29

@Waspsarearseholes

I feel very strongly that these people are terrible parents. That poor baby. I hope they'll change their minds and realise how utterly dangerous their views are before their baby suffers.

🙄. They’re not terrible parents! Whilst I would give Paracetamol if my child was in pain but I , know parents who give it at the drop of a hat. Someone posted a photo of their cutlery drawer on a Facebook post the other day. The amount of calpol syringes was truly shocking. Everyone joking theirs looked the same. That’s not great parenting either.

I have 4 kids 30 down to 14. I’ve probably bought 4 or 5 bottles of paracetamol in all that time. Calpol is full of colouring and sugar.