AIBU to be asked to reframe my trauma by the trans CEO of Scottish Rape Crisis?

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The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma"

Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service.

forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

Tonight is a really tough one. Women who have been raped or sexually assaulted need females to listen to them. Rape Crisis was that service and used to offer trauma based therapy.

I don't need educating - I know that detailing my experience to a man, or a transwomen is NEVER something I will do.

This is too much.

[quote littlbrowndog]And now in this my country we have this My country enlightenment

And this fuckwittrry sigh

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WTF one of mine was a dog for most of age 31/2 - 41/2 would they have let her pee outside & eat off the floor in P1?!

Pandemic, economic disaster, woopsie with the lost money, educational crisis, DRUGS DEATH SHAME, spent a fortune trying to get the responses they wanted by repeating the self ID survey that they still won't publish but 4 year olds with identity issues that's what they're focused on 🧐🧐🧐

[quote Waitwhat23]@littlbrowndog and of course Stonewall are involved. How are they still being taken seriously after recent events?

Properly at this in particular -

'The guidance also includes a recommended reading list for primary schools, designed to promote trans inclusivity, and calls for posters which "challenge gender stereotypes" to be put up in classrooms.

One book included tells a story about a blue crayon which suffers an identity crisis because it was mistakenly labelled as red.

Another features a primary school-age narrator who says she has “a girl brain but a boy body” and claimed she knew that she was transgender as a toddler.

The character claims “pretending I was a boy felt like telling a lie” until an “amazing day” when she went to a doctor who diagnosed her as transgender'.

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Challenging gender stereotypes while simultaneously maintaining that girls have a particular brain, which is so specific it can be identified irrespective of their sex?

Who the fuck do they think they are kidding.

@Datun

I know some people are going on the principle of a rape crisis centre not having any business in addressing the politics of the women involved, but, for me personally, understanding that sex is important, and that it is absolutely fucking crucial when you have been raped, is nothing to do with politics or wrong think, or principles.

Addressing the mindset of the women involved, is one (wrong) thing, but addressing them over this specific issue is quite another (worse thing).

It's bad enough not being able to identify the male sex, but when it is the basis of your trauma, it's inhumane.

Being compelled to not identify the male sex is a huge safeguarding failure.

The fact that it's the head of a rape crisis centre doing it, is breathtaking.

I agree.

This is about women's human rights being railroaded, specifically in a place where women are supposed to be able to go to recover from male sexual violence.

To tell women in that space that they have no right to accurately name and identify sex is obscene. Telling them they are bigoted, if they do, is straightforwardly evil. It's abusively gaslighting the exact group of vulnerable and brutalised women they are paid to help.

Re Wadhwa's qualifictions: I'm copying this from another thread, post from the wonderful R0wantrees, hope she doesn't mind:

'What are MW's qualifications?

Wadwha became involved in Women's Services via Shakti Women's Aid. Shakti Women's Aid is a grassroots organisation formed in 1985 and incorporated in 2004.

from website:
Shakti Women’s Aid helps BME women, children, and young people experiencing, or who have experienced, domestic abuse from a partner, ex-partner, and/ or other members of the household.
shaktiedinburgh.co.uk/about/

One Scotland Case Study:
"Shakti Women’s Aid came into being in September 1985, when a small group of black women applied for funding, with the help and support of Edinburgh & Lothians Women’s Aid, to the (then) Edinburgh District Council, for funding to set up a separate refuge for BME women and their children fleeing from domestic abuse. In April 1986 the Edinburgh District Council Housing Department approved funding for office premises and two part-time workers, and by September 1986, the workers were in post.

Shakti’s definition of Domestic Abuse is wider than most, it not only recognises perpetrators as a partner or ex-partner, but also other family member such as in-laws."
[[https://onescotland.org/nacwg-news/case-study-shakti/
]]

SHAKTI WOMEN'S AID
Company number SC273279
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC273279/filing-history

transcript extracts:
MW "It happened not to deliberately. When I graduated, I did a Masters at Edinburgh University, there was a job going at Shakti and I just completed a masters in training. And they needed someone to do some training. It wasn't by design. I just applied for this job, it looked interesting. Obviously, I had been around violence. I grew up in a home with domestic abuse. I'd experienced violence as a transwoman in India. And so it looked like somewhere I wanted to work. And I applied and I got the job. And I just stayed.

Like before working in women's services, I used to teach people how to sound American in India, in a call centre. So it is not by design that I got into this work. But I stayed by design because in fact, I moved back to India and then moved back again to work at Shakti Women’s Aid."

"So I've worked in the women's sector now since 2005, so quite a few years. And when I worked at Shakti Women's Aid, you know, it was eye opening, not just to see an experience, like what does domestic abuse really look like" (continues)

I am struggling to understand why/how someone male whose previous experience was training Indian telesales staff to mimick Americans came to be employed by a domestic abuse organisation providing specialist support to very vulnerable women and their children.'

This is Scotland. This is my country

This is my country’s disgrace

So sad that this is my country 🤕🤕🤕

Where women and children come last to political stuff

Cheers Nicola

@littlbrowndog

To be clear.

The CEO of a rape crisis centre in my country Scotland does not want women and girls choosing a female examiner after they have been sexually assaulted

That CEO campaigned against it

And that CEO is being paid money to do this 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

If paid tax payer's cash, paid your money to do this, no less.

How the hell are we here? How?

I've been wondering about this @ArabellaScott. Are you able to expand please? I'd be really interested to see what qualifications/history Mridul actually has.

I have also been wondering about this.
There seems to be a huge lack of understanding about trauma work.
But surely they wouldn't put someone front and center in major organization with no qualifications at all?
It is so dangerous.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9888899/Scotland-let-pupils-aged-FOUR-change-gender.html

Who is even saying this? Nobody is saying this. Nobody.

@ArabellaScott

Re Wadhwa's qualifictions: I'm copying this from another thread, post from the wonderful R0wantrees, hope she doesn't mind:

'What are MW's qualifications?

Wadwha became involved in Women's Services via Shakti Women's Aid. Shakti Women's Aid is a grassroots organisation formed in 1985 and incorporated in 2004.

from website:
Shakti Women’s Aid helps BME women, children, and young people experiencing, or who have experienced, domestic abuse from a partner, ex-partner, and/ or other members of the household.
shaktiedinburgh.co.uk/about/

One Scotland Case Study:
"Shakti Women’s Aid came into being in September 1985, when a small group of black women applied for funding, with the help and support of Edinburgh & Lothians Women’s Aid, to the (then) Edinburgh District Council, for funding to set up a separate refuge for BME women and their children fleeing from domestic abuse. In April 1986 the Edinburgh District Council Housing Department approved funding for office premises and two part-time workers, and by September 1986, the workers were in post.

Shakti’s definition of Domestic Abuse is wider than most, it not only recognises perpetrators as a partner or ex-partner, but also other family member such as in-laws."
[[https://onescotland.org/nacwg-news/case-study-shakti/
]]

SHAKTI WOMEN'S AID
Company number SC273279
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC273279/filing-history

transcript extracts:
MW "It happened not to deliberately. When I graduated, I did a Masters at Edinburgh University, there was a job going at Shakti and I just completed a masters in training. And they needed someone to do some training. It wasn't by design. I just applied for this job, it looked interesting. Obviously, I had been around violence. I grew up in a home with domestic abuse. I'd experienced violence as a transwoman in India. And so it looked like somewhere I wanted to work. And I applied and I got the job. And I just stayed.

Like before working in women's services, I used to teach people how to sound American in India, in a call centre. So it is not by design that I got into this work. But I stayed by design because in fact, I moved back to India and then moved back again to work at Shakti Women’s Aid."

"So I've worked in the women's sector now since 2005, so quite a few years. And when I worked at Shakti Women's Aid, you know, it was eye opening, not just to see an experience, like what does domestic abuse really look like" (continues)

I am struggling to understand why/how someone male whose previous experience was training Indian telesales staff to mimick Americans came to be employed by a domestic abuse organisation providing specialist support to very vulnerable women and their children.'

I wonder who else applied for that job, what their qualifications were and how exactly they came to select MW over them?

Preschoolers identifying as transgender. What utter bollocks.

Gender ideology has its roots in queer theory, the grandfather of which (Michel Foucault - French philosopher) thought children as young as 4 could consent to sex and actively campaigned to abolish the age of consent in France.

Nothing that is happening is an accident and they're really only just getting started.

I know that people miss things on here and I’m not sure it has been clearly stated anyway but just to be clear. Trigger warning for paragraph 2.

Mridul Wadhwa has not got a GRC (we know this as Wadhwa is an Indian National so cannot get one) so is legally male. Wadhwa has now applied for and got at least 2 jobs that were advertised as being for females only under the equality act. For the first job it is believed that the organisation did not know Wadhwa was male, for the second they were well aware.

A bill went through the Scottish parliament relating to rape victims. Perhaps due to ignorance or by design the bill initially stated that victims could request the gender of their examiner. Some people realised that this meant that a female could ask for a woman and receivee a bepenised male who identified as a woman. SNP assembly member Johann Lamont put in an amendment changing the word gender to sex so a women could request their examiner was a natal female. This amendment passed. Wadhwa was so incensed that a raped woman could request an actual female and males who identify as women wouldn’t be able to intimately examine rape victims if they didn’t want them to that Wadhwa defected to the Green Party. Wadhwa hates the idea that actual women are allowed to say no to Wadhwa. This tells you everything you need to know about Wadhwas suitability to be near vulnerable women.

@Skatastic

Who is even saying this? Nobody is saying this. Nobody.

She can't defend the truth, so she's invented a convenient lie.

Nobody should be excluded from excellent and expert support that meets their needs, after suffering sexual violence. Nobody. This would include all the women who self-exclude, rather than run the risk of encountering a male person, in what is supposed to be a client-centred safe space for victims of male sexual violence.

The issue over whether women should have a right to request a medical examiner, after a rape, by biological sex or by gender identity - the one that caused MW to throw toys out of the pram to the point political party was switched. Anyone know how Mhairi voted on that one?

Apologies Lamont is Labour not

wellbehavedwomen
Mhairi Hunter isn't a MSP - she's SNP Glasgow City Council

The six words amendment passed 113/9 (only greens & LibDems opposed)

Not only opposed, but, Alex Cole Hamilton got up on his feet at that debate to explain why I, a constituent, should not be allowed to request, NOT BE GIVEN, JUST REQUEST, a female practitioner to intimately examine my body, including my genitals, for evidence to make a case against the perpetrator of my attack.

So, for clarity, this means, someone combing my pubic hair, scraping under my fingernails, sampling for semen from whichever orifice it is in, photographing any injuries I might have and trying to find the smallest piece of my rapist's revolting body that he left behind on mine.

My MSP thinks that if I, a newly traumatised female person who is now a victim of a serious crime - which is a bit of a head fuck in itself - did not want those tasks performed by someone with a male body, that I was a bigoted scumbag.

And that is why, although my MSP is a good MSP and has helped me with a local matter and appeared to give a shit about it, who won with a massive margin and is likely to be the next leader of the Scottish Lib Dems...I'll not vote for him. No fucking way.

He is a man who does not think that raped women should be allowed to say "no".

No.

Oh I see I copped another deletion again - what a surprise. God forbid anyone might actually suggest that anything other than pure altruism drives these people.

I spent six months in a DV refuge, I beared witness to the brutal reality of other women and children’s trauma and terror whilst also experiencing my own. This sickens me and I am ashamed to be Scottish.

Wadhwa was so incensed that a raped woman could request an actual female and males who identify as women wouldn’t be able to intimately examine rape victims if they didn’t want them to that Wadhwa defected to the Green Party. Wadhwa hates the idea that actual women are allowed to say no to Wadhwa. This tells you everything you need to know about Wadhwas suitability to be near vulnerable women

@Smileyaxolotl1 which tells you who Wadhwa is. But the people who hired this person and the Scottish Greens seem have a policy of 'Forced inclusivity' in rape evidence examinations, which effectively is conscription of women’s bodies to satisfy the desires of a Male. It’s not inconceivable that a male fetishist aroused by female bodied trauma would seek a position where they can perform these intimate exams. Male's who get off on this DO exist and it's got nothing to do with trans people.

to intimately examine my body, including my genitals, for evidence to make a case against the perpetrator of my attack.

Wadhwa laughed at a survivor while she stood up in a meeting at the Scottish Parliament to talk about how she needed a female examiner

So, for clarity, this means, someone combing my pubic hair, scraping under my fingernails, sampling for semen from whichever orifice it is in, photographing any injuries I might have and trying to find the smallest piece of my rapist's revolting body that he left behind on mine.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria your words are hard to read and necessary. TY.

Keep thinking about this.

I’m a therapist, my modality is CBT. It took a three year undergraduate degree, a two year postgrad to train in a registered profession (mine is social work), and a further year postgrad diploma at university in delivering CBT. Another route is a psychology degree followed by training to become a PWP and then training to become a CBT. Either way it takes at least five years of studying plus relevant experience.

Has this woman actually got any recognised qualifications in delivering therapy? I wouldn’t be impressed tbh if the manager or CEO of my organisation was trying to tell skilled and qualified professionals what to do in sessions without any therapeutic training of their own. I work for the NHS where our service managers are qualified therapists who know their stuff but even they recognise that it’s not their place to tell therapists what to do in sessions, it’s down to their own judgment and depends on the individual client. I have to say if I were working for this woman’s organisation I’d do whatever I needed to with clients and nod along, if I could stomach being associated with them.

Another thing I keep thinking about is how this will harm women by preventing them from coming to the service. Imagine you’ve been raped and you’re googling for local support and find this. You find an org where the CEO is openly talking about how some people who’ve been through what you have will be bigots. Imagine asking yourself, at a time of crisis, am I a bigot? Are my views sufficiently acceptable for me to access this service? Will I be allowed to get help? Will I be humiliated and further harmed while I’m vulnerable?

People don’t deserve this.

A poster earlier said they would expect to be challenged if they brought racist, homophobic, sexist views into a space, wouldn’t everyone? No, you shouldn’t expect that when it comes to mental healthcare. Absolutely not. One of the core conditions of therapeutic change in the counselling approach is congruence, which means if a patient is sharing views I personally believe are bigoted I don’t agree with them to create a bond, I remain neutral and explore those views with them if they are relevant and the patient wants to. If someone asked me directly my own feelings on a racist statement I would be honest, and say that I didn’t personally see this that way but we’re all different and I’m here so we can figure out together how to help you to feel better. That’s as far as sharing your own views on this stuff should go!

They will be turning people away from the service with this. I hope there is someone above the CEO who can step in. I didn’t personally have a problem with this CEO initially (the fact she’s trans) but after this podcaster and subsequent statement I absolutely do now. Horrifying.

Another thing that is bothering me is the idea that there is a clear distinction between whether a view or statement is sexist, transphobic, racist, homophobic, ableist or not. These things aren’t black and white so it comes down to the individual therapist’s opinion if whah this CEO is wanting were to come true. It’s a form of groupthink. Take the following examples:

Someone mentions feeling unsafe with ‘Asian taxi driver, you know what I mess’ because they live in Rotherham and are aware of the abuse scandal where groups of Asian men were abusing young, mostly white girls. Is that racist?

Someone says that according to their belief, they respect the right of people to live in gay relationships, but don’t believe they should be able to marry. Homophobic or not?

Someone saying that as far as they’re concerned, families work best with a male breadwinner and a woman raising the kids. Sexist or not?

Someone saying that while they are happy to treat a trans man as a man, they believe they are and will always be female. Transphobic or not?

Someone saying that women who wear the hijab are oppressed and have no choice and it’s a symbol of patriarchal oppression within Muslim communities. Islamaphobic or not?

Do you see how nuanced this is?

For the record I absolutely support trans people, in various ways. I’m often at odds with people on this board who describe themselves as gender critical, though I respect their right to hold those views. I have a massive issue with this specific woman.

Here is the transcript of the debate in Scottish Parliament regarding the 'six words' amendment brought by Johann Lamont. The debate and decision which Wadhwa felt so objectionable that they left the SNP to move to the Greens.

www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/what-was-said-and-official-reports/official-reports/meeting-of-parliament-10-12-2020?meeting=13005&iob=117604

This specific amendment is under Group 7. on that transcript.

Can someone link to a video or report of MW sneering at the rape survivor who was explaining why she needs a natally female counsellor?

What kind of human being deliberately goes into rape counselling purely for the captive audience?

Need for power.

@AlfonsoTheMango

What kind of human being deliberately goes into rape counselling purely for the captive audience?

Need for power.

Egomaniacs too. Sadly as a therapist I’ve had my share of therapy with really crap therapists who are in the job because they enjoy being in a position of perceived power over their clients, they get a thrill from the idea that others are looking to them for their wisdom. It suits a certain kind of person who is ego driven and doesn’t have a lot of humility or ability to recognise their limitations.