If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

Tell people they're not flying anymore - allocate them one flight a year

You'd need two flights, surely? Otherwise that's one hell of a long holiday!

Allocated personal mileage would make more sense than no. of flights IMO

Yes, my suggestion is just that - a suggestion

Greater minds than me can force businesses (and it's mostly business flying) to stop/cut down

I also want carbon offsetting at the REAL cost to be forced on flights - flights shouldn't be 99p, they should be thousands

I don't want an eco boiler if it is useless and expensive and my bills soar, gas central heating works well and electricity storage heaters were useless.

FWIW the main challenge is making change feel achievable. As has been said, if it all feels too much to manage then the attitude will be to live life to the full while we can. To incentivise people to act we need to offer them actions they can actually manage my take without terrifying them into giving up.

This mean not expecting people to change up every aspect of their life but asking everyone to change some aspects of their life that they can.

That multiplied by the millions will do more than guilting and scaring people into inactivity and nothing being done at all.

That's just from an individual responsibility perspective. Policy change and global industry are another matter.

@woodhill

I don't want an eco boiler if it is useless and expensive and my bills soar, gas central heating works well and electricity storage heaters were useless.

The Govt needs to regulate price of electricity if they want more to switch from gas/oil.

And make the boilers cost effective and good enough. I read that earlier post about how awful they were

People don't want to acknowledge how bad it is because they don't want to take any personal responsibility for it and change their ways ie not eating animal products. Sadly people would literally rather ruin the planet for their kids than change their habits.

I agree it's about making change feel possible. It is possible. Exactly that re.the covid response. Who would have thought a lockdown was possible three years ago? It wasn't until it was.

@wherearemychickens

I agree it's about making change feel possible. It is possible. Exactly that re.the covid response. Who would have thought a lockdown was possible three years ago? It wasn't until it was.

But it wasn't long term. Covid is a crap example because mass compliance was short lived

I think with Covid compliance was pretty high when threat was seen to be at its highest. It's when people started talking about Covid not being such a threat because of vaccines that compliance deteriorated. Maybe that's just my interpretation.

My point really was that it was something previously thought impossible, until suddenly it was something happening.

Going the other way, the same is probably true of wet bulb temperatures in this country. Who knows, depending on how much we muck this up.

@Lavender24

People don't want to acknowledge how bad it is because they don't want to take any personal responsibility for it and change their ways ie not eating animal products. Sadly people would literally rather ruin the planet for their kids than change their habits.

Nail. Head.

It won't be until the rise in food prices - due to crop failures - becomes a reality that most people will take notice.

@Lavender24

People don't want to acknowledge how bad it is because they don't want to take any personal responsibility for it and change their ways ie not eating animal products. Sadly people would literally rather ruin the planet for their kids than change their habits.

As each individual knows their actions cannot single handedly ruin the planet, it’s more a question of people not wanting to change their actions if they perceive that few people around them are doing likewise and that nobody is in full agreement on what everyone should be doing, anyway. Massive, fast and co-ordinated change requires strong and decisive leadership - something China is more likely to achieve than the likes of the UK and the US, if it’s that way inclined, as it doesn’t have to listen to opposing political voices, nor let the people hear opposing points of view.

@GreatAuntEmily

50% of all global co2 emissions are due to intensive animal farming *@afriusaenghather* Do you have a link for this?

www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/livestock-emissions-account-for-51-percent-of-greenhouse-gases

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/study-claims-meat-creates-half-of-all-greenhouse-gases-1812909.html%3famp

time.com/5947430/bottom-trawling-carbon-emissions-study/

@afriusaenghather

50% of all global co2 emissions are due to intensive animal farming

All those on this thread being high and mighty about others car choices etc should ensure they are aware of this if they consume meat or dairy products.

Fishing - bottom trawling causes huge levels of co2, further over fishing our seas has removed important organisms that absorb massive co2 volumes.

I’m sick of idiots not realising that half our world issues are due to animal farming and abuse.

Very little benefit will be gained by driving a Tesla in comparison to worldwide vegan or vegetarianism.

It’s a fact. That most people choose to ignore.

THIS ^

@LaurieFairyCake

ANYTHING CAN BE DONE WITH PURPOSE AND WILL

I hugely agree with this.

1. Tell people they're not flying anymore - allocate them one flight a year

1. Force people to only buy electric cars by not allowing manufacturers and dealers to sell them - they're all allowed to sell off pre-2021 stock. And hopefully all older cars (and classics) will be kept on the road longer.

1. Force people to only buy eco-boilers - if you own your property give them an interest free/very low interest loan to pay for it, if they can't afford it put a charge on their house for it to be paid for when they die (so they're not stressed by it)

1. Force councils to wildflower any redundant space (and keep beehives). And turn over suitable land for community gardens to grow vegetables. EVERY fucking space that's not used - we dug up Britain in the war (not to great effect actually, it was more of a PR thing) so let's do it again.

Yes to the above.

Unless govt, takes control NOTHING will get done.

Intense animal farming has only been a thing since, say, WW2. We were burning coal long before that so I think the comments about animal farming are wrong.

Surely if humans stop eating meat they will therefore eat more veg and pulses and they will then produce more methane themselves.

It isn’t just the methane, it’s the carbon along the whole production cycle

What would me (or even the whole of the UK) panicking achieve? It needs EVERY SINGLE country to sign up to action, because as soon as one country says 'we can do that because...' others will join in. It isn't going to happen. I will be long dead by the time the earth dies as will my children. Perhaps by then technology will have come up with a way to slow it down.

@stillcrazyafterall

What would me (or even the whole of the UK) panicking achieve? It needs EVERY SINGLE country to sign up to action, because as soon as one country says 'we can do that because...' others will join in. It isn't going to happen. I will be long dead by the time the earth dies as will my children. Perhaps by then technology will have come up with a way to slow it down.

Don't need every country, just the major players, trade with these other countries will then have to become "Greener"

Temp in parts of europe yesterday was 48.5'C, these could become the norm very quickly and no reason to suggest that wont happen here, little grows in these temperatures, add in flooding and sea level rises and our food supply chain stops.

So don't be so sure you want see very large (and damaging) changes in climate.

@GreatAuntEmily

Intense animal farming has only been a thing since, say, WW2. We were burning coal long before that so I think the comments about animal farming are wrong.

Scientific studies showing you large causes of climate change, but you think they’re wrong?

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable.

@afriusaenghather
Sorry I missed your previous links.
Worldwatch Institute found that the FAO underestimate and overlooked some direct and indirect livestock emissions including CO2 emissions from livestock respiration,
I do think that alot of farmed animals do NOW, contribute to global warning with the clearing of forest in S America etc but that comment above might lead to the reducing of say, elephant herds inAfrica, or the owning of cats and dogs (of which there are millions) so I would say there are unforeseen consequences of reducing respiration from animals.
The links for the Independent are dated 2009 - I think views have changed since then.
The time.com 'How Industrial Fishing Creates More CO2 Emissions Than Air Travel' is no doubt true but the benefits of fishing are that millions are fed. The benefits of air travel are little imv, so you have to keep in mind the benefits of fishing.

Also I can't quite see that growing fields of animal fodder is BAD but doing away with animals and growing fields of human fodder (all the ploughing, seeding, harvesting,_ is necessarily wholly Good for the environment.