If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

@jasjas1973 I agree about electric vehicles that’s what I was saying before about my belief that they’ll be the next diesel, encouraged by the government as being better for the environment until they weren’t anymore.

I agree completely with jasjas about HK immigrants, we already have an acknowledged shortfall of 1 million homes and cannot feed our population. So it’s in our best interests to make sure that people can bloody survive back in their own countries!

Good grief, it’s getting like Brexiteer bingo in here!

No point banning fossil fueled vehicles if the alt is even more damaging.

@jasjas1973 do you have any concrete evidence to show it’s more damaging? No, thought not!

[quote lllllllllll]@jasjas1973 well, a lot of them will inevitably be built on green land won’t they? And countless wildlife habitats will be destroyed in the process. But hundreds or thousands of people are moving to this country every year, and they need places to live. You sound very anti-immigration - I presume you voted Brexit.[/quote]
Nothing could be further from the truth.

But being in favour of being in the EU doesn't automatically mean i think 3m people from China coming here is a great idea, not to mention the security implications as we increasingly move away from Chinese influence on our economies.

Its an ill thought out plan.

My environmental impact is probably far less than most people on this thread, because I don’t own a car and I don’t take long haul flights. I only eat meat very occasionally too.

Info about electric cars here powermyev.co.uk/explore/how-green-are-electric-cars

The cost upfront is large, yes. However the environmental impact over their lifetime of use is much smaller. We’re not talking 1 or 2% differences either. Transportation is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions, and much of it does come from household use (I had an argument about this with some people on another thread, it’s all there in ONS, European and World stats). Us all going electric would have a significant impact. We need a government that will fund this, and don’t tell me that one of the richest countries in the world can’t afford it. The bloody royal family could probably fund it alone, or the C of E (pulling those names out of thin air as hugely rich compared to working people).

Sorry if I'm repeating as I haven't read the whole thread but I've seen posts talking about Russia and China and needing global / governmental action to stop this. I believe that is true but I don't think that is a reason not to try and do whatever we can as individuals. In the UK we live in a democracy, I know it sounds incredibly naive (and slow) but if the people want change on this it should happen. We can't wait for the worst offenders to sort themselves out we have to start at the bottom and just hope it doesn't take too long to filter up, there is a massive focus on this now so, although it should have happened 50 years ago, there has never been a more influential time to make your own small steps to change.

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Batteries, life, range, weight, power production for charging, resources for building hi speed charging circuits.

Plus we still need the most polluting of all vehicles, lorries & ships.

Us all going electric would have a significant impact.

Sounds good - roll on 2030!

@jasjas1973 plus the cost of a new battery if anything goes wrong with the one in the car we’re talking £1,000s

@jasjas1973 it’s still an enormous improvement on the situation we have now though. I can’t see how anyone who purports to care about the environment would be against it.

If most individuals understand the problems but feel powerless, impotent and believe only governments and organisations can effect real change and if most governments feel the actions necessary to effect real change are unpalatable to their electorate or will upset the corporations which fund them then surely it is necessary for individuals to make those in power understand that we do want them to act?

People aren’t wearing masks during a pandemic that’s happening right now so you think they’d be bothered about climate change?

They will only care when their homes are being flooded or food shortages get real bad, until then they won’t be bothered.

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii we will all need to make significant changes to our lifestyles in order to protect the environment, and it is inevitably going to cost all of us.

surely it is necessary for individuals to make those in power understand that we do want them to act?

Again, I remember threads on here where people were fuming about Extinction Rebellion (a group that are doing just that) closing down transport/roads because “DH couldn’t get to work”. Many posters on here seem very happy to be pro-environment until it actually affects their day to day lives. Then it’s “not in my back yard”.

[quote lllllllllll]@jasjas1973 it’s still an enormous improvement on the situation we have now though. I can’t see how anyone who purports to care about the environment would be against it.[/quote]
I m not against it.

I just do not believe the env impacts are enough to make the difference, remember its the motor and power industries that are pushing EV and whats their aim?

We in the UK do not have the power production to charge millions of EV, nor the infrastructure, large numbers of people do not have off road parking either and their range is tiny

We have 8 years until 2030........ yet new nuclear power is decades away (aprt from Hinkley C)

Twig Some of us have been trying to do our bit for years and been in touch with MPs about it, got any good suggestions as to how to do that now??

I always think we couldn’t have a worse set of conditions, social, economic and environmental, coming together in a worse way. The move to globalism, the shift to conspicuous consumption among an increasingly out of touch elite, a stretching- out hierarchy increasingly concerned with status, breakdown of communications and lack of respect for information and facts…

They will only care when their homes are being flooded or food shortages get real bad, until then they won’t be bothered.

True. Just look at this thread - already there are posters kicking and screaming about banning the sale of petrol/diesel cars in 9 years’ time!

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surely it is necessary for individuals to make those in power understand that we do want them to act?

Again, I remember threads on here where people were fuming about Extinction Rebellion (a group that are doing just that) closing down transport/roads because “DH couldn’t get to work”. Many posters on here seem very happy to be pro-environment until it actually affects their day to day lives. Then it’s “not in my back yard”.

Perhaps we agree?

I love ER.

We don't need EV, we need less cars of all types, more walking more local businesses, shops, more emphasis on health, so cycling walking to work.
the car needs to go back to being a luxury item.

And utter destruction of any conception of collective efforts, rewards and responsibility… (I can go on…)

Everyone can make a difference and at this point who cares whether they’re new to this having suddenly realised the urgency or they’ve been minimising their CO2e impact for years. The important thing is that as many people as possible realise that they need to make changes.

@lllllllllll the bottom line is people won’t switch to electric vehicles if they can’t afford to so massive leaps advances on the current form
need to be made as well as making electric vehicles more affordable for the normal person not to mention the infrastructure is just not there for the amount of people they want to switch over, there are places in Scotland don’t even have decent internet never mind enough charging points for cars

Does anyone know if there are things being prepared for mitigation. Like developing crops that can grow in harsher climates or town planning that takes account of flooding, or upgrading sewer systems to cope with flash floods, or have to deal with mass migration from uninhabitable areas.

@jasjas1973 and what about those of use who need our cars for our jobs? I work in community nursing covering a large rural area and peoples needs for community nursing is only increasing

there are places in Scotland don’t even have decent internet never mind enough charging points for cars

There are places all over the country with very limited internet (my house included!). Charging points will increase as more people get evs.

@HasaDigaEebowai yes but not in the timescales we are talking, plus it doesn’t solve the problem for those of us with no driveway