If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

Maybe a thread where people could share there ideas etc i know some people feel that as an individual they can make little difference but i personally would like to make even a tiny amount of difference and if everyone did this it might be enough to force the hand of governments, big businesses etc.

@LordOfTheOnionRings

All this just makes me want to go upstairs and hang myself

We have about 20-30 years before it gets truly awful so give it some time.

I have at most 30-40 years of my life left. I will be long gone by the time it gets really bad. Many of you lot will be around a lot longer than me so you'll see it. And your children and grandchildren will despair

The changes will happen in the next 10 to 20 years, if not sooner, you will also despair, don't be so smug.

@Soberanne

Maybe a thread where people could share there ideas etc i know some people feel that as an individual they can make little difference but i personally would like to make even a tiny amount of difference and if everyone did this it might be enough to force the hand of governments, big businesses etc.

Easy, vote differently at the next GE, anything else is just re arranging the deckchairs.

i dont believe for one Moment that governments, businesses etc Across the world are going to let the population of the world be wiped out, its really not in their best interests either. Do i think they will look after themselves first, yes i do.

One big thing we can all do to make a huge collective impact is stop buying lots of fast fashion. This article explains it better than I can: www.livekindly.co/fast-fashion-addiction/

[quote AllisoninWunderland]One big thing we can all do to make a huge collective impact is stop buying lots of fast fashion. This article explains it better than I can: www.livekindly.co/fast-fashion-addiction/[/quote]
Will make SFA difference, global change needs global action and thats only possible at government level and for that to happen, they need to fear losing power.

I’m sure everyone will agree that we have a housing crisis in this country. In the last 12 months, the net immigration figure for the UK was 313,000. The year before that it was around 270,000. Those 583,000 people (that’s 583,000 in the last two years alone) need places to live, and the only way to solve that is by building hundreds of thousands of new homes, thereby destroying vast areas of the environment and wildlife habitats in the process. What other solution is there?

@Nightgardenisodd

Climate change. I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future. How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

Because our world is run on power and greed, addressing climate change has to come top down to be effective. Watch seaspiracy on Netflix and see the lies we are told for commercial industrialised gain.

It’s horrendous.

@lllllllllll renovate Empty properties, stop second home ownership, concert empty shops etc. These should al be looked at first before immediately building on green space that makes me really angry

Can I just say I really appreciate this thread: the ideas, collective wisdom, controlled panic, reading recommendations and ideas for action. Despite the deadly warnings (and the thankfully few “I’m all right, Jack” posts), it’s actually making me feel better that I’m not alone in my panic, that collectively we want to do something even if we have no power. I hope you’re all on my side in the apocalypse and we can forage for twigs together.

It’s made me determined to up my own ante in terms of waste and the measures I go to re. my own footprint. I already actually work in the climate change sphere but could be doing a lot more (even if individual action is a drop in the rapidly rising ocean – bit gutted about Rye being underwater soon).

@DuesToTheDirt

I am panicking. I lie awake in the night and panic. Not helpful I realise!

Same. It's not helpful, but I'm terrified.

I try to do what I can, but it seems so huge and overwhelming.

@lllllllllll renovate Empty properties, stop second home ownership, concert empty shops etc. These should al be looked at first before immediately building on green space that makes me really angry

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii But there’s only 268,000 empty homes in the UK. The net immigration figure for the last two years alone was 583,000.

@lllllllllll yes but these should all still be looked at first, there was a thread discussing building on green space a few weeks ago and one poster told of an entire block of flats (I think) in London owned by a Chinese buyer standing totally empty!

Let's have buildings with planters everywhere. Get as many plants growing in cities as possible.
I like the sea grass. I had not really thought of it as needing to be planted!

This link is a list of non-governmental organisations attending Copt26.

This link is a list of intergovernmental organisations attending Copt26.

Could we politely email some of them, expressing our fears for the future if we do not change now.

The solution is to sacrifice immediate profit for future gain. No-one is willing to do that,

I’m sure everyone will agree that we have a housing crisis in this country. In the last 12 months, the net immigration figure for the UK was 313,000. The year before that it was around 270,000. Those 583,000 people (that’s 583,000 in the last two years alone) need places to live, and the only way to solve that is by building hundreds of thousands of new homes, thereby destroying vast areas of the environment and wildlife habitats in the process. What other solution is there?

Many of them have homes in their native countries, but no jobs. It puts pressure on the housing stock here while at the same time houses and flats in their home countries sit empty. Targeting second homes here but not taking this into consideration is short sighted.

[quote lllllllllll]**@lllllllllll renovate Empty properties, stop second home ownership, concert empty shops etc. These should al be looked at first before immediately building on green space that makes me really angry

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii But there’s only 268,000 empty homes in the UK. The net immigration figure for the last two years alone was 583,000.[/quote]
You're jumping the gun a bit. Refugees are not allowed to work and subsist on about £30 a week. That won't go far towards a mortgage on a new build.

Lots of empty offices and shops now. Low hanging fruit.

I am fairly comfortable money wise. I see things happening in the media sometimes and it's awful, but it is not happening to me/anywhere close by.

Yes, I think that because to date many of the effects of climate change have been felt by poor people in the global south, your average Westerner hasn’t been that bothered because it feels like it’s something that’s happening to other people.

But we’ve had extreme weather events much ‘closer to home’ recently. The horrendous flooding in Germany, for example.

It would be a mistake to imagine that the UK is somehow immune.

The reality is our small island will be getting smaller and more crowded. In all likelihood we’ll have to go back to multi generational homes. Planning for this is sensible

It would be a mistake to imagine that the UK is somehow immune.

There's been pretty traumatic flooding in the UK almost every year since Gordon Brown put his waders on.

@lllllllllll

I’m sure everyone will agree that we have a housing crisis in this country. In the last 12 months, the net immigration figure for the UK was 313,000. The year before that it was around 270,000. Those 583,000 people (that’s 583,000 in the last two years alone) need places to live, and the only way to solve that is by building hundreds of thousands of new homes, thereby destroying vast areas of the environment and wildlife habitats in the process. What other solution is there?

You'll have to ask the Con govt why they have invited almost 3m HK citizens into the UK, on top of these other 100s of 1000s you mention.

Its quite remarkable, considering Brexit and a pandemic, no wonder we have had so many CV cases.

But i'm sure they have a sustainable plan for housing transport education and health.

Offer people help to downsize their homes, especially those living in social housing. My neighbour lives alone in a 3 bedroom property. She wanted to move into a one bedroom house in our area but couldnt afford move.or redecorating.

What we need is accomodation similar to student halls for single people or couples f they choose. When my child leaves home i would happily move into something like student halls, shared living space but own room and shared laundry etc etc. Cheaper accomodation and more people in the one place. And before anyone comments i am not saying people should be forced to live like this but if it was available then i for one would.

@lllllllllll yes but these should all still be looked at first

@AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii of course, but even if you used every single one of those homes, it wouldn’t be anywhere near enough.

You're jumping the gun a bit. Refugees are not allowed to work and subsist on about £30 a week. That won't go far towards a mortgage on a new build.

@SpaceshiptoMars I’m not suggesting that it’s the refugees or immigrants who are moving into these new homes. But if the population is increasing by several hundred thousand people per year then of course we will need to build more homes - it’s basic maths.