If it’s that bad, why aren’t we panicking more??

[Nightgardenisodd]

Climate change.
I keep reading posts about it and it’s scaring the crap out of me for my DD’s future.
How bad is it? Anyone have any positivity about it?

I agree, they should use the Covid mechanisms to communicate climate change action. It's a far worse crisis.

I find this graphic showing temperature anomolies utterly terrifiying and it only goes to 2017.

Ultimately we have no control over climate change. I'm not saying that we should stop trying, because the way we live certainly has a potentially far greater impact on it than in the past. What I'm saying is that there have been Ice Ages etc. throughout time, and we are just at a point of actually being aware of it. All we can do is try and slow things down, by doing our bit to minimize the impact we have on the planet to save whatever we can for future generations.

It's terrifying, but we as individuals can make very little difference. I think we have a generation left and then we're done for.

I don't feel sorry for the human race - we've caused this - but the animals on this planet didn't ask for this and we will have absolutely decimated what could have been paradise. The planet will live again when we're gone, but it will be different and many thousands of species, including humans, will never return.

It's very bad. If we don't change, massively, and fast, we could see the next mass extinction in less than 200 years

Loved your post @DGRossetti

100* years. Typo

I am concerned about the future but until all the world accepts some responsibility and takes real steps to do something ie. restrict flying, make electric cars affordable for all and sort out reliable public transport available nothing will really change.

I haven't read full thread sorry. Have a look at the changes which have taken place in the last 30 years in the ocean, to life in the ocean and water quality and what is predicted for the next 20 or so years. If it happens it will be awful. What has happened already is not good at all.

Fishing practices, oil transport - ie big business. Vs governments. Vs people.

@Pixxie7

I am concerned about the future but until all the world accepts some responsibility and takes real steps to do something ie. restrict flying, make electric cars affordable for all and sort out reliable public transport available nothing will really change.

I am not sure about restricting flying, they have now developed electric boeings and lorry fleets etc, I thought? Just like we have technology to make viable biodegradable plastic alternatives. I think it is the word "restricting" which has been part of the problem with public opinion - people don't want to lose their lifestyles - but wehave the technology or are capable of it. Trouble is, oil is big money. I think lobbying groups have focused on the wrong things, trying to get individuals to change. It is govmts forcing corporations to change maybe which is needed.

What good does panicking do? We can only do our bit. It's places like Brazil and China and India that need to do serious stuff.

@PlanDeRaccordement

How was it worse in 1921?

• Raw sewage in most of worlds water sources...yum yum
• No waste removal for rubbish...just heaps rotting outside every town

-coal fired power plants causing acid rain killing entire lakes and rivers

• polluted air killed millions more than now such that even London still had killer fogs on a regular basis.
• deforestation was at its peak world wide
• world starvation and poverty was much higher than now

-infant/child mortality far worse

What a small view of the planet you have. These things might not be happening so much in the UK, but they're now happening all over the world in environments which in 1921 were still fairly pristine.

It is bad, but no point in dreading and doing nothing about it. My stance is, be positive, learn about it, talk about it, and do as much as we can. Small steps but better than not doing anything.

This is a great videos to watch with children about climate change.
www.youtube.com/c/HotMessPBS/featured

@CarlottaValdez

I think where I feel it’s impossible is looking at China and Russia.

I'm not an apologist for China, but it is a mistake to think they are doing nothing. For a start they have signed the Paris Accord (Glaring at you, Trump). They are aiming to cut their carbon emissions dramatically and have huge investment in renewables - wind power, huge wave generating power schemes -far bigger than anything we've got here - and vast areas of the Gobi Desert under solar panels. My son worked on the wave renewables in the 2000s.

Unfortunately they industrialised rapidly and much later than us and their carbon emissions are off the scale. But disingenuous for us to point the finger - we've had a century of being able to refrigerate food, heat and cool our houses, wash clothes and cook by electricity, drive cars. Anyone who remembers China under Mao with it cities of millions of bicycles will be struck by the contrast with modern Chinese cities with their snarl of cars. Incidentally, in Beijing, not all cars are allowed on the road every day. You are allocated days each week according to your number plate. Don't think you could get away with that here, and certainly not in America. Doesn't apply if you're a high-up in the CPC of course in which case, restrictions do not apply!

As for climate change - be very afraid. It's every bit as bad as you've heard, and worse.

The problem is that many of the world's people are stupid.
On the motorway the other day, the people in the car in front opened their windows and threw out all the litter from their car.
I know it's a drop in the ocean (!), but what hope does the planet have when there are STILL knuckle-dragging scumbags like this on it.

I am not sure about restricting flying, they have now developed electric boeings and lorry fleets etc

Yes but the electricity for the planes and the cars needs to come from somewhere. Producing electricity heats up the planet.

I am in France and Macron is upping the ante at the moment - house fuel other than electricity will soon be banned, houses being given solar panels, etc

@Cukku

I've been encouraging my daughters not to have children. I hope the advice will stick. I'm going through a cancer scare at the moment and Global Warming definitely makes me feel less attached to life.

This is really not fair and it is definitely not right.

It has got nothing to do with you, whether or not your daughters have children.

You really shouldn't be projecting your own anxieties on to them.

It's disgraceful.

It’s all down to money. The big companies who are causing the issues are the ones paying off people to keep it quiet.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I am not sure about restricting flying, they have now developed electric boeings and lorry fleets etc

Yes but the electricity for the planes and the cars needs to come from somewhere. Producing electricity heats up the planet.

It is a balance which i think is in favour of electricity and renewables - it depends on how you generate electricity

I think the airlines were talking about renewables, to be more correct

I am in France and Macron is upping the ante at the moment - house fuel other than electricity will soon be banned, houses being given solar panels, etc

France has a much higher percentage of electricity produced by nuclear power than the UK.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I am in France and Macron is upping the ante at the moment - house fuel other than electricity will soon be banned, houses being given solar panels, etc

France has a much higher percentage of electricity produced by nuclear power than the UK.

at the moment at some point that is going to have to change, I assume afaik spent fuel is a acknowledged as a growing issue

@LakieLady

I think it's really, really bad. It makes me glad I'm 66 and will hopefully not be around to see the worst of it.

This is really alarming

inews.co.uk/news/amoc-gulf-stream-current-climate-change-collapse-sea-ocean-britain-monsoon-1139784

It seems clear that we will see significant and disruptive changes. The only question seems to be when.

I've been concerned about the gulf stream for years. There have been so many warnings about its collapse but no one appears to be really listening.

I was mildly concerned about a 100 year virus from about 2000 onwards, so that took 20 years from my first concern to manifest.

I'm hoping the Gulf Streat collapse will happen after I've gone. I don't fancy living in the resulting climate. And that'll be it, we won't suddenly be able to change out ways and it'll just go back to how it was.

The climate for many has been untenable for years, only because it's not happening to us we couldn't give a fuck.

Incidentally, in Beijing, not all cars are allowed on the road every day. You are allocated days each week according to your number plate.

They do that in Rio I think. It makes no difference to the rich who just buy enough cars so that they have what they want any day of the week.