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What do you consider your nationality to be?

275 replies

AntiFlag · 07/08/2021 17:21

Do you think it’s where you’re born? Or your parentage? Or your grandparentage?

For example, if you were born in Scotland, but your mum was Russian and your dad Venezuelan, what would you class yourself as?

Someone I know says they’re Irish because they have an Irish grandparent, but how far do you got back? AIBU to think only a couple of generations defines your nationality? Or do you think it can be longer?

And how much does it mean to you? I’m generally curious, I live in a place where locals are very fierce about their roots and I am a bit of a mongrol from my heritage and it’s never really bothered me, I just say ‘British’ because I was born and live here.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 07/08/2021 19:58

[quote AntiFlag]@RightYesButNo I think you’re probably right! I was going to report the thread and rewrote it but people answered too quickly so I’ve left it - I’m hoping that it’s understood what I mean (even if I don’t quite get it myself!). Must educate myself better on the topic Blush[/quote]
Tbf you aren't the only one mixing nationality and ethnicity.

Every day is a achool day 😁

randomsabreuse · 07/08/2021 20:00

I'm pretty torn at the moment. Born, brought up in England, used to represent England at a sport. Now left England for Scotland, can't really say I'm Scottish but will switch to represent Scotland (Over 40s and small sport so not being arrogant) when I'm eligible on residence. Mostly so that my governing body funds go to the area I live and train in but also because I've felt out of step with the majority (elected) views on a lot of things.

I expect my children will eventually identify as "Scottish" after a few years in the school system.

I'd like to consider myself European if that were still possible!

SchrodingersImmigrant · 07/08/2021 20:03

You are still European... No one moved UK to a different continent 😁

OhWhyNot · 07/08/2021 20:05

Just because my nationality is British it doesn’t mean I’m not proud of my ethnicity

But that has nothing to do with my nationality

I can tick a mix white asian if I feel it’s necessary to

ufucoffee · 07/08/2021 20:05

We aren't American so don't say we are from the country of our parents and relatives if they were born somewhere else. I was born here so I'm British.

AntiFlag · 07/08/2021 20:05

@SchrodingersImmigrant yes definitely some education going on for me today - and it’s my own thread! Feel a bit silly BlushConfused

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MasterChefz · 07/08/2021 20:05

English.

DamnUserName21 · 07/08/2021 20:06

@LunaBunaTuna

I had a conversation about this with a friend once and she believed that wherever a child is born is their nationality so if you gave birth on holiday in Spain for example, your child would be Spanish even if both parents are British/American whatever.

I didn’t agree with her but couldn’t articulate why. Maybe I’m wrong and that country has to issue a passport but I can’t imagine that would be the case.

Depends on the laws of that country. If you were born in the US, for instance, you would automatically get US citizenship regardless of the status of the parents.

I might be wrong but I think in the UK the parents have to have indefinite leave to remain for a child born in the UK to get citizenship. Please correct me, folks, if I am wrong.

I consider myself British. Born in England to a mother, with Irish/Welsh parents, and to a Middle Eastern-born father.

Chesneyhawkes1 · 07/08/2021 20:06

English

AntiFlag · 07/08/2021 20:06

@OhWhyNot as has been pointed out I have confused nationality and ethnicity and gotten myself all wound up in confusion - I promise I wasn’t trying to be hostile, just genuinely interested in how some people ‘categorise’ themselves with regards to backgrounds and ticking boxes and such! Sorry for the confusion

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Theworldisfullofgs · 07/08/2021 20:07

British but my ethnicity is different..I'm 1/2 Irish (enough to get a passport and planning to do, to keep our options open)and my English side is like almost every English person, v mongrel.

StoneofDestiny · 07/08/2021 20:09

Scottish
Don't regard myself as British

StoneofDestiny · 07/08/2021 20:12

Scottish
Born in Scotland
Don't regard myself as British
Both parents Scottish

Plumtree391 · 07/08/2021 20:14

British English.

More importantly, I am a Londoner.

CheddarToldMeTo · 07/08/2021 20:15

[quote AntiFlag]@CheddarToldMeTo Out of curiosity, do you have a Welsh accent? Or not because neither of your parents have a Welsh accent?[/quote]
Not strictly, however sometimes without thinking an accent will appear, and family or friends will say 'ohhh that was a bit Welsh!' and I use a lot of phrases (in English) that are often thought of as 'welsh' so stuff like 'I'll be there now, in a minute' we say 'cwtch' in our family etc etc.

I know a couple of women who have lived in Wales for longer and have English accents though so depends on a lot of factors I guess.

Cam77 · 07/08/2021 20:22

British. When I worked in Japan and ran into other Brits, I always felt like I was meeting a compatriot, regardless they were English, Scottish, Welsh. A compatriot from a different bit of the place (the UK) to where I grew up. Whereas an Australian or American would be a “foreigner”. I personally think there’s 99 things that unite many of us for every 1 that separates us.

DietrichandDiMaggio · 07/08/2021 20:25

@HurryUpAndWait23

I'm Welsh because my parents and grandparents are welsh. Despite me and my parents being born in England.

DH has always said I'm not welsh.

Or at least he did. Until I asked him if he thought his Indian mate wasn't Indian because only his parents were born in India. Plonker.

I did 23andMe recently and that further weighted my IM WELSH argument.

My maiden name is as welsh as they come!

But his mate's parents were born in India, yours weren't born in Wales.

Would you say any children you go on to have are Welsh, just because your grandparents were born there? How many generations until they aren't Welsh?

MacmillanMO · 07/08/2021 20:25

Scottish

boireannach · 07/08/2021 20:28

Scottish

Ericaceae · 07/08/2021 20:33

Scottish. I'm in my early 40s, and from nursery and primary school we were taught Scottish songs, stories, poetry, history, etc. which I guess cemented my identity. Ticking "British" on a form is a jarring experience, regardless of what my passport says.

whiteroseredrose · 07/08/2021 20:39

Definitely English rather than British.

One half goes back hundreds of years. Other half is ethnically Jewish but only 2 great grandparents were born abroad. They came here around 1900s.

DH is Bristolian first and foremost, English second.

I also wonder how many people feel British rather than English, Scottish or Welsh if they were born there. The cultures are very distinct.

bellapater1 · 07/08/2021 20:41

Great question. I have a friend who is Ghanaian by blood (both of her parents are from Ghana), but she was born in Ireland and lived there until she was 6. Now she lives in England and has lived here ever since. She is always confused what the 'correct' answer is when asked 'what is your nationality?'.

HappyStar56 · 07/08/2021 20:42

I say I’m British. I was born and raised in England. My parents are Irish.

HappyStar56 · 07/08/2021 20:42

I see myself as English & British I should have said.

Geamhradh · 07/08/2021 20:45

British Citizen.
I was born a British Subject Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies though.
I used to work in the Home Office Nationality Department. Wink