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To think that equestrian events are ridiculous

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BFrazzled · 02/08/2021 23:05

In the Olympics.

Poor horses. This ridiculous dancing in dressage, who the hell thought of that?

There was one winner of the dressage contest who supposedly also won in the nineties. No mention of the horse, guess it was with a different one then Hmm

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Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 07:43

@Bryonyshcmyony

Or you could answer the question I asked. What makes a horse different that you can spur it or put a but in its mouth, but not another animal or child?

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 07:44

Because you ride it? 🙄

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 07:45

This thread is gold

If there was a Dark Classics section it's definitely a contender

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 07:45

Just look at that horse. Ears pricked, the mouth and jaw look soft with no tension, the eyes are happy and looking for the next jump. Happy horses win medals.

To think that equestrian events are ridiculous
Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 07:46

@Bryonyshcmyony

The reality is that horse riders and horse racers needs to use spurs, bits and whips to get the horse to do what the human wants, even if it's painful for the horse. Also as horse are massive, humans know that they won't win in a fight do have to control...via pain.

If you watch dog training or agility, it's all about a ball or traets or fun. That's why horse competition gives me the yuk.

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 07:48

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@Bryonyshcmyony

The reality is that horse riders and horse racers needs to use spurs, bits and whips to get the horse to do what the human wants, even if it's painful for the horse. Also as horse are massive, humans know that they won't win in a fight do have to control...via pain.

If you watch dog training or agility, it's all about a ball or traets or fun. That's why horse competition gives me the yuk.[/quote]
That is absolute bollocks.

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 07:50

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@Bryonyshcmyony

The reality is that horse riders and horse racers needs to use spurs, bits and whips to get the horse to do what the human wants, even if it's painful for the horse. Also as horse are massive, humans know that they won't win in a fight do have to control...via pain.

If you watch dog training or agility, it's all about a ball or traets or fun. That's why horse competition gives me the yuk.[/quote]
You are completely wrong and know absolutely nothing about horses. Hth.

Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 07:53

@Bryonyshcmyony

No. We disagree on whether horse competition or dressage is actually in the animals best interests and if the implements used in controlling the animal intentionally cause them pain.

Just because you like horse riding doesn't mean you are right. But I'll be waiting for your explanation on how whips on horse riding are nice for the animal.

countrygirl99 · 05/08/2021 07:53

@thatsjustwhatithink try kicking my horse and you will be in the next county before you know it. Apply a subtle movement of your leg or seat and he will turn, jump, speed up or slow down as required.

Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 07:55

@Polkadotties

Why can't you ride a horse without breaking it in then? Without a saddle? Without a bit? Without spurs?

If they love being ridden so much surely they'd do it for treats or love?

NotMyCat · 05/08/2021 07:55

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@Bryonyshcmyony

The reality is that horse riders and horse racers needs to use spurs, bits and whips to get the horse to do what the human wants, even if it's painful for the horse. Also as horse are massive, humans know that they won't win in a fight do have to control...via pain.

If you watch dog training or agility, it's all about a ball or traets or fun. That's why horse competition gives me the yuk.[/quote]
Except you don't
I could get on my horse with no bit or spurs and ride, but it wouldn't be as refined. She would have no worries about happily ditching me on the floor if she wanted to
Effectively the spur narrows the point you are touching, so on my horse for example there is a spot which means canter, and one which means sideways and one which means change of leg. Asking with just my heel/leg will generally get me canter but if I want to refine it more then yes, I use spurs
They're not sharp, they look like this and the ball rolls. You don't kick with them and you have to be very disciplined in keeping your leg still

To think that equestrian events are ridiculous
NotMyCat · 05/08/2021 07:58

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@Polkadotties

Why can't you ride a horse without breaking it in then? Without a saddle? Without a bit? Without spurs?

If they love being ridden so much surely they'd do it for treats or love?[/quote]
Most people say backed now because broken is the wrong word
Why can't you just put a puppy on a lead and it will know how to heel/walk? Why doesn't a child know how to read? Because you have to teach them! That's what backing is, it's teaching them what left/right/walk aids mean, how to balance with a rider

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 08:02

If you think a saddle, bit and Spurs are hurting the horse and that’s after reading this thread then I don’t really know what to can say to change your mind.
My saddle cost thousands of pounds. It was fitted by a professional to make sure it fits both me and my horse. My saddle fitter comes out every 3 months to check the saddle, makes sure it still fits my horse due to fluctuating weight and muscle changes throughout the year. My bit cost a lot of money, again fitted by a profession to make sure it fits and is comfortable for him. Different horses have different sized mouth, different sized tongues etc. Not one size fits all.
My horse has 3 monthly regularly physio sessions to ensure he is in tip top shape.
Horses are flight animals. You cannot train through fear, you just wouldn’t get anywhere!

Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 08:03

@NotMyCat

"Asking with my heal"

I just can't imagine that sentence being used for anything else because you know it sounds wrong.

I learnt to ride horses as part of my former career. The horses were well looked after and the stables adored those horses. But, the reality was that I had to kick a horse (however gently) to get in to do what I wanted. I had to put metal against the soft cartilage of its mouth to ensure it went were I wanted it to go.

Overall I'd just never so that to a dog or human so it didn't sit well with me. I wouldn't ride an zebra or even a less endangered species.

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 08:04

And another thing. A lot of horses and ponies cannot be fed treats constantly. They would end up with life threatening incredibly painful conditions such as laminitis.

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 08:07

I do use treats occasionally. My horse was difficult to get on. To help teach him to stand still he was given a small treat once I was on. This stopped him walking off. Now when I get on he doesn’t walk off but turns his head round for the treat. He doesn’t get a treat, he gets a pat or a scratch on his withers instead, this is still a ‘reward’ that the horse recognises.

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 08:09

My horse is an endangered species. He is an Irish draught. So much care and love is put into the breeding of IDs to ensure clean bloodlines, no inbreeding, and it’s produced a horse that is an amazing all rounder

sbfptw · 05/08/2021 08:13

@BFrazzled

In the Olympics.

Poor horses. This ridiculous dancing in dressage, who the hell thought of that?

There was one winner of the dressage contest who supposedly also won in the nineties. No mention of the horse, guess it was with a different one then Hmm

Such moves are based in chavalier history, and believe me, if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't - try getting half a ton of flesh that runs very fast when it wants to do so, to 'dance'. What is ridiculous is including children and their games - BMX and skateboarding. In 2024 dressing up dolls and pretending to be James Bond will be classed as sport...
NotMyCat · 05/08/2021 08:13

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@NotMyCat

"Asking with my heal"

I just can't imagine that sentence being used for anything else because you know it sounds wrong.

I learnt to ride horses as part of my former career. The horses were well looked after and the stables adored those horses. But, the reality was that I had to kick a horse (however gently) to get in to do what I wanted. I had to put metal against the soft cartilage of its mouth to ensure it went were I wanted it to go.

Overall I'd just never so that to a dog or human so it didn't sit well with me. I wouldn't ride an zebra or even a less endangered species.[/quote]
I don't kick! If you watch the dressage, they aren't kicking and flapping. I nudge/squeeze. A horse can feel a fly land on them, all you need to do is use your leg to apply pressure
Put your hand around your arm and squeeze lightly. It doesn't hurt, it's pressure
The same as you guide a dog using a lead or nudge your DP in the side to say nudge over

This is why you teach them from the ground first because you need to be able to ask a horse to move over for safety reasons. If they stand on your foot, you don't have ten minutes to negotiate with a carrot, you use the flat of your hand and say oi budge over

Thatsjustwhatithink · 05/08/2021 08:13

@Polkadotties

Interestingly (and one of the reasons I'm not keen on horse eventing/competition) the reason that we can trace bloodlines of horses and understanding their heritage and how/where they were domesticated is because a bit does unique damage to a horse mouth bones and teeth.

You can trace which peoples had horses by looking at the tools/bones for that era and all show damage from the bit.

Polkadotties · 05/08/2021 08:23

You can’t compare bits used in the Roman times or whenever to the bits used today. nsbits.com/products/mouthpiece/team-up/team-up this is what I use. It’s a gentle bit that is made to work with the horse not against the horse.
A bit doesn’t go anywhere near a horses teeth.
To add to my horse’s extensive list of professionals that he sees, he also sees a dentist every 6 months who checks his teeth, files off any sharp edges, feels his gums etc.
My horse would immediately tell me if he wasn’t happy in his bit. I would be on the floor in seconds!

Nixandwotsit · 05/08/2021 08:24

What interests me is that a lot of pages back someone posted a video of a rider on a grey horse doing the most beautiful "dressage" movements on a horse being ridden with no saddle or bridle. Ignored by all - the horse "experts" and those who know nothing. I watched and thought how wonderful it would be if the horses at the Olympics moved like that, with such freedom and grace. There would be no arguments about them looking stressed or being ridden unkindly for sure.
There was also a post from a horse trainer who has experience of rehabbing dressage horses, who explained that she trains without using bits. No comments on that either.

I lived in the States for a while and attended events where amazing riders such as Sheila Varian and Buck Brannaman took part. I've never been able to look at high level dressage tests in the same way since.

For anyone still reading and not dismissive - I rode at two clinics with this man - look at what he's doing with his horse with no bit in the mouth... he wears spurs - it's part of the outfit - but teaches that if you have them for the rare times they are needed they should be rowels and run softly over the horse, like a wheel turning. But look at this with no bit... I'd watch this all day at the Olympics

Bryonyshcmyony · 05/08/2021 08:32

But, the reality was that I had to kick a horse (however gently)

If you kicked dds horse, however gently, he'd probably buck you off. Having a few lessons at a riding school does not a rider make.

Iquitit · 05/08/2021 08:33

There's a video of the dressage horse of Carl Hester returning to his field with his mate and going in, rolling on one side, getting up, executing a foot perfect pirouette, and rolling on the other side before doing a lovely elevated trot down the paddock. Only thing on that horse was a fly rug.

If you watched the start box in the X country, many of the horses were bouncing around and 'dancing' on the spot and launched out the start box when the starter said 'Go!' - the rider wasn't making them do that, that was the horse keen to go out and get cracking, mine used to be very similar.

If you watched the vet inspection, some of them bounced and threw themselves around through the excitement, and did some of the moves that appear in dressage (and some that definitely don't!) When they're meant to be trotting in a straight line, so the person handling the horse is actually trying to not get that response.

It's a similar thing to when a dog gets excited for a walk, only this is a half ton dog with metal feet.

The real issue here is the stereotype that's so entrenched in society about horses only being for the elite, as with most sports, what it costs to get to the top is beyond the reach of some, but on a general level, the BHS and other organisations have done some really good things to open up horse riding and care to everyone. I benefited from such a scheme because my parents had no money, and got my first horse at 30 after years of riding other people's in return for looking after them. I worked in the stables in return for lessons as a kid.

Ultimately though, it doesn't matter how much equestrian pursuits are opened up or how many of us show we're not from well heeled backgrounds - people are welded to their own stereotype and won't listen because no one likes to be wrong do they?
I find it quite funny that on the one hand, as a min wage care worker I'm the lowest of the low, yet sit me on a horse and suddenly I'm a well heeled, posh twat because I know what to do.......

countrygirl99 · 05/08/2021 08:34

[quote Thatsjustwhatithink]@NotMyCat

"Asking with my heal"

I just can't imagine that sentence being used for anything else because you know it sounds wrong.

I learnt to ride horses as part of my former career. The horses were well looked after and the stables adored those horses. But, the reality was that I had to kick a horse (however gently) to get in to do what I wanted. I had to put metal against the soft cartilage of its mouth to ensure it went were I wanted it to go.

Overall I'd just never so that to a dog or human so it didn't sit well with me. I wouldn't ride an zebra or even a less endangered species.[/quote]
Sounds like you were just a chap rider. Needing to kick and steering with the bit 😯. Sounds like you don't ride anymore and frankly that's a good thing.