AIBU to be surprised that Laurel Hubbard didn't register a lift in the Olympics?

[Gladiolixoxo]

I wonder if all the controversy around Laurel's participation led to her losing her nerve?

@titchy

I’m not sure how many times I can say it - how many years of Olympics would you watch if you’d already seen the best of it? And that’s coming - because we’re already pushing the athletes to the limits of human endurance.

And I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat - YES YES YES YES YES. So fucking what about the records. It's not about the records.

Do you really not understand this at all?

But that post didn’t say records! If a gymnast can vault into the air for fifteen repetitions, how long before nobody can beat them? How long before the form, height and stance they’ve been marked on has been done too many times?

@Kittii

"Football is broken as they all fight for the ball" 🤣

Broken as in fluidity (broken up, maybe?), not damaged forever.

But that post didn’t say records! If a gymnast can vault into the air for fifteen repetitions, how long before nobody can beat them? How long before the form, height and stance they’ve been marked on has been done too many times?

Again. And again - so fucking what. People will still watch. Really, why can you not comprehend this.

But that post didn’t say records! If a gymnast can vault into the air for fifteen repetitions, how long before nobody can beat them? How long before the form, height and stance they’ve been marked on has been done too many times?

We don't know, so we keep competing until we find out.

It seems that the sex based difference is not the only thing you don't understand about the nature and spirit of sports.

@titchy

But that post didn’t say records! If a gymnast can vault into the air for fifteen repetitions, how long before nobody can beat them? How long before the form, height and stance they’ve been marked on has been done too many times?

Again. And again - so fucking what. People will still watch. Really, why can you not comprehend this.

Ok. Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree. To me; the selling point is you’re watching the best of the best. Which you’d lose interest in if that was no longer true, because the best of human endurance has already been seen a hundred times before.

I suspect pumper only watches stuff if it's brand new or record breaking. With the whole competition and spectacle and elite performance aspects not really registering as hugely entertaining and inspiring. Shame really.

As I said - clearly not a sports fan.

@titchy

I suspect pumper only watches stuff if it's brand new or record breaking. With the whole competition and spectacle and elite performance aspects not really registering as hugely entertaining and inspiring. Shame really.

Then you’d be wrong.

@titchy

As I said - clearly not a sports fan.

Again, the snide comments are really not necessary.

Pumper you obviously aren't even slightly interested in sports.

You don't understand why the Olympics is s big deal, why so so many countries compete, why so many people watch it.

Given that.

You are arguing hard for changing the way that most/ all sports are run/ many managed/ categorised in competition.

Not just saying how about this?
Getting response bad idea for all these reasons.
And saying ok fair enough.

Like most people would when chucking out an idea on a topic that are essentially not interested in.

You can see that your ideas and views are being considered and rejected by the vast majority of posters on the thread.

And yet you keep going?

I'm interested why? Just a certainty that you are right, your ideas are sound, and that multiple others must be wrong?

@ChaToilLeam

Smirking cheat Hubbard threw it. A place blatantly wasted that could have gone to a deserving female athlete. Shame on Hubbard and anyone supporting this fucking farce.

Absolutely right.

Despicable cheat.

Ok. Well, we’ll have to agree to disagree. To me; the selling point is you’re watching the best of the best. Which you’d lose interest in if that was no longer true, because the best of human endurance has already been seen a hundred times before.

If you had your way, we would reach boredom point far sooner because your ideas are impossible to implement, and actively encourage crap competitions because they don't make any useful distinctions in how to recognise the elite.

On the plus side, we probably would never ever get anywhere near the mythical unbreakable record...

The best that any of the women lifted today was 180kg and that was hugely impressive.

But when Hubbard is on form, she can lift 279kg. Massive difference.

@Blibbyblobby I get that we're coming from the same place but it is dangerous to accept that TWAW in order to make a more nuanced argument. I do not believe that men can magically become women because they say they feel like a woman and I will not agree that they can just because some activists call me a bigot for understanding biology. Its a slippery slope if you start agreeing with the magical thinking that TRAs have to come up with to justify their position.

As women we have a duty to stand up for each other and I will not be complicit in robbing the word "woman" of its meaning in order to validate a tiny minority of men's feelings that just because they want to have been born in a woman's body they magically become an actual woman.

Pumper that approach would mean no one bothering with anything where someone has been so good that's it's unlikely anyone will ever reach that level.

Is it just sport you feel that way about?

Or is it a general viewpoint?

@NiceGerbil

Pumper you obviously aren't even slightly interested in sports.

You don't understand why the Olympics is s big deal, why so so many countries compete, why so many people watch it.

Given that.

You are arguing hard for changing the way that most/ all sports are run/ many managed/ categorised in competition.

Not just saying how about this?
Getting response bad idea for all these reasons.
And saying ok fair enough.

Like most people would when chucking out an idea on a topic that are essentially not interested in.

You can see that your ideas and views are being considered and rejected by the vast majority of posters on the thread.

And yet you keep going?

I'm interested why? Just a certainty that you are right, your ideas are sound, and that multiple others must be wrong?

I’m not the one slinging insults Gerbil. I was hoping for a discussion over the future of the Olympics - I didn’t know that would make me responsible for male-on-female crime or ridiculous or deserving of snide comments.

@SecondCityShark

The best that any of the women lifted today was 180kg and that was hugely impressive.

But when Hubbard is on form, she can lift 279kg. Massive difference.

She still can. And as a man, she belongs in a weight class that doesn't even exist for women.

As many have said, it's a long game to try to discredit the undeniable fact of her continuing male advantage, and enable crap men to colonise women's sports.

And it's so obvious that one has to be deeply suspicious of anyone who denies it.

@NiceGerbil

Pumper that approach would mean no one bothering with anything where someone has been so good that's it's unlikely anyone will ever reach that level.

Is it just sport you feel that way about?

Or is it a general viewpoint?

Why would it? Why would it not mean ‘it’s a physical human impossibility to jump from the ground and somersault twenty-five times so let’s introduce ew categories’?

If a gymnast can vault into the air for fifteen repetitions, how long before nobody can beat them? How long before the form, height and stance they’ve been marked on has been done too many times?

So what? Really. So what if people have seen it before. How many time have I watched the Olympics and commonwealth games in my life? Plenty. I am not watching for the records. They are a bonus. I am barracking for my country doing the best it can at this moment.

And hey, you never know if that day, that event someone actually might break the record or equal it. How good would that be?

Gymnastics may have changed dramatically in that time, I don’t know. I don’t care that much. I enjoy watching it. I enjoy watching people attempting to deliver their best performance.

Fuck, I was cheering on Eric the Eel. Why? Because that athlete was the best athlete that country had to enter at that time and he beat his personal best.

Like my rugby team isn’t setting records, but I enjoy watching anyway.

If all you are watching events for is world records, that is fine. That is you. Many of us are watching people do their very best at an elite level.

@NiceGerbil

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/58044570

From 2'16 is charlotte- gold.
It's only 4 mins.
From start you see Charlotte come off first run. Then the American who was expected to stroll gold. What she does the commentators are. She's nailed it that's that.
Then... Charlotte omg!

If you haven't seen it then it's worth a watch, from the middle, the whole thing is only 4..

Honestly just brilliant!

I actually cried over that! Just utterly amazing, and proof of what a woman can do.

Pumper

If I have not engaged with all your posts in a serious manner then it's simply my reaction to your posts.

' I didn’t know that would make me responsible for male-on-female crime'

You have made that up. Everyone on the thread can read. Why say that when you and I and everyone else on here can see that I've never said anything of the sort.

@NiceGerbil

Pumper

If I have not engaged with all your posts in a serious manner then it's simply my reaction to your posts.

' I didn’t know that would make me responsible for male-on-female crime'

You have made that up. Everyone on the thread can read. Why say that when you and I and everyone else on here can see that I've never said anything of the sort.

You asked me to justify it. You made the leap.

And it's so obvious that one has to be deeply suspicious of anyone who denies it.

Agreed.

And again, if you are reading these discussions every year, please tell us how those who have expertise in this field are suggesting as an answer?

Not only for the time when their are no more records that can be broken or even equalled (which seems to be boring too), but how the split into categories where males and females compete as you posed first up.

Sadeyed -yay!

Fucking awesome isn't it.

A massive inspiration for girls everywhere!

We won gold in the women's BMX racing as well! She just blew the others off the track!

Worth a look on iplayer.

Totally just ridiculously impressive.

I am in awe of everything tbh. Esp the pole jump. How??!! Mind bending!