Why so little outrage?

[Newrumpus]

There seems to be very little coverage of the Hyde
Park stabbing yesterday despite a number of very concerning elements suggesting this was a deliberate attack on free speech. This reminds of the teacher from Batley who had very few people speaking up for him.

“There is a time and place for everything. Not to mention method, that’s all. Of course she can wear anything but mind the audience”

Can you confirm what you mean?

I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

huh? they are a satirical magazine in Paris with readership obviously, they are not biased one way or another, it's about satire on all subjects. and they represent (among others) free speech.

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

I'm not implying anything at all op

Just that there doesn't seem to be much to report on at this stage.

Well except for perhaps a description of the attacker - clothes he was wearing, any identifying features. You know, so to help the police find and arrest a dangerous violent man.

She was wearing a controversial t shirt, yes. I personally wouldn't wear that t shirt, but we can't go around doling out vigilante justice, stabbing people for saying or doing controversial (or even outright bad) things.

Another woman was very controversial in London at the weekend. The struck off nurse, who verbally attacked our doctors and nurses - the people working hard through the trauma and burn out of treating Covid patients. She compared them to the Nazis. Offensive isn't the word. Should somebody stab her? The answer is no. Arrest or section her, maybe.

I'm a UK citizen living abroad, I saw this earlier today on the MN Feminist board, and was horrified. I did see that Met Police have asked people not to speculate while the investigation is ongoing and they try to find the attacker, who has been captured on film, and bring him to justice. So respect for that request that might be damping down conversation.

If you're interested in the other thread it's here, but as is usual with everything on MN, it's already got a load of incoming misogynists saying the matter should not be discussed: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4306313-Speakers-Corner-Woman-attacked-with-a-knife?messages=100&pg=1

...apart from the fact they had their writer/s murdered for that free speech - I'm sure many people would want to show support, how is that surprising at all!

@CrouchEndTiger12

Everyone is too busy getting their knickers in a twist over masks, coughing at work, cases numbers etc to notice or care. That's why

Like a pp said, there are a lot of stabbings in London nowadays. The problem was an issue before the pandemic - and was as ignored then as it is now. The government is too busy chuntering about 'levelling up'. I'm not sure whether they mean the levels of violent crime, or the severe homelessness crisis - but what's certain is very little is being done to tackle either problem in London.

London is grim these days. I lived there many years ago, but the place is unrecognisable to the place I grew up in. Stabbings are such a common occurrence that it seems to be just part of every day life now.

@Livelovebehappy

London is grim these days. I lived there many years ago, but the place is unrecognisable to the place I grew up in. Stabbings are such a common occurrence that it seems to be just part of every day life now.

Ah but isn't London paved with gold?

The much resented 'investment' in London definitely hasn't gone on tackling violent crime.

I have read about it now, I would have been surprised to see it as headline news given that it has been stated the incident isn’t being treated as terrorism related and her injuries were seemingly not serious. Unfortunately stabbings are commonplace.

And there is the problem. That stabbings are accepted as commonplace. They shouldn't be accepted.

Violent crime shouldn't be accepted.

Although separately, actually you're wrong. It's still uncommon for a woman (or a man) to be stabbed by a stranger. The majority of the stabbings are by people known to each other - domestic abuse or gang crime. Not that that makes it ok. But stranger attacks - particularly men on women, aren't (yet) commonplace.

Violent stabbings should be headline news. Because they shouldn't be commonplace, regardless of the cause or motive. It never used to be commonplace. It's been allowed to happen by indifferent governments.

@jezzyj

Because she wants to and she's free to wear what she wants without getting slashed in the head with a knife?

I don't think anyone disputes her right to wear the t shirt. I definitely condemn the attacks but I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

Or that you believe in free speech, even if it's provocative.

@Thesearmsofmine

I have read about it now, I would have been surprised to see it as headline news given that it has been stated the incident isn’t being treated as terrorism related and her injuries were seemingly not serious. Unfortunately stabbings are commonplace.

It isn't being treated as terrorism related 'at the moment'. The case is being worked on by the counter terrorism team though, so they haven't ruled it out at all.

Because stabbings seem to be coming an everyday normal thing 😞

"Je suis Charlie" T.Shirts really aren't that unusual and are worn by many who believe in free speech.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'supporting them'.

Scary that stabbings are just par for the course from what some people have said. It’s so frightening that some people would just go out and stab someone for wearing a t-shirt or whatever other reason.

@ofwarren the police have said

The force said while its investigation was being led by Counter Terrorism Command, "the incident is not being treated as terrorism-related".. Taken from an article on the BBC

So who knows, maybe it will come to be treated as terror related but currently it isn’t,

Stabbings are bloody awful, just this weekend there have been several incidents in my local area along with other violent crime. None of it makes headline news anymore.

don't think anyone disputes her right to wear the t shirt. I definitely condemn the attacks but I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

And? You don’t stab people. Not for how they look or what they wear or what they say.
That way people could say the most appalling shit but no one would be tortured or die or a combination of both.

It was headline news yesterday.

Police are not treating it as terror related.

There are countless other women killed and not reported on.

What point are you trying to make?

There are countless other women killed and not reported on.

But they should be reported on. It shouldn't be accepted as something that 'just happens'. The problem of violence and violent crime needs to be tackled.

Police are not treating it as terror related.

And? It's not ok whatever the motive. There shouldn't be such indifference to violent crime. That's why it's becoming so commonplace. The indifferent and failure of successive governments to stop or at least reduce it.

@Tealightsandd

This thread isn’t about violence against women though is it? And I didn’t say it’s ok or I’m indifferent so no need to persuade me otherwise.

This thread is clearly about OP making a thinly veiled attempt to act dumb about something concerning Islam and violence. Hence my question to her which you conveniently ignored.

[quote MsHedgehog]@Tealightsandd

This thread isn’t about violence against women though is it? And I didn’t say it’s ok or I’m indifferent so no need to persuade me otherwise.

This thread is clearly about OP making a thinly veiled attempt to act dumb about something concerning Islam and violence. Hence my question to her which you conveniently ignored.[/quote]
And I agree completely the lack of reporting on violence is atrocious...it’s OP’s feign curiosity about this one I’m questioning.

What is ridiculous is that there will probably be more anger at her t-shirt than the fact that a small, Christian, woman of colour was stabbed in a park in the middle of the day in 2021 in the UK.

sleepy anger from whom - those opposing free speech? Not the vast majority in a democratic country like the UK then.
Let them choose to live in a police state if they are angry, i.e. who cares!

MsHegehog
I didn't read OP's post in that way but even if you're right, then it's no bad thing to steer the thread away from what you think it's about and instead talk about the actual issue. Violent crime.

Stabbings (of both men and women) is now being accepted as commonplace. Separately there's definitely a need to talk about (and take action on) violence against women.

Several posts on this thread casually dismiss the incident (and other stabbings) as something that 'just happens' - as something commonplace.

It's really really important that we don't just accept stabbings as commonplace. Whatever the motives - whether stranger attacks or when the perpetrator and victim know each other. That indifference and acceptance is what makes it commonplace.

@CatAndHisKit

I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

huh? they are a satirical magazine in Paris with readership obviously, they are not biased one way or another, it's about satire on all subjects. and they represent (among others) free speech.

I can't say I've read their magazine but from the ones I've seen, they are in no way balanced. There USP is shock value and racism, so no, they're not a nice bunch. Just look at the Megan marker cover, with reference to Her race and George Floyd. Not nice.

As much as I despise extremism and violence I'd never wear a shirt supporting them. I literally just explained why the poster asked "why is she wearing that?" It's not about right to wear it, it's about why would you actually choose that "side"