Why so little outrage?

[Newrumpus]

There seems to be very little coverage of the Hyde
Park stabbing yesterday despite a number of very concerning elements suggesting this was a deliberate attack on free speech. This reminds of the teacher from Batley who had very few people speaking up for him.

[jezzyj]

@Thewinterofdiscontent

don't think anyone disputes her right to wear the t shirt. I definitely condemn the attacks but I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

And? You don’t stab people. Not for how they look or what they wear or what they say.
That way people could say the most appalling shit but no one would be tortured or die or a combination of both.

I literally said that, the side of the killers is undoubtedly wrong. I even argued with a family member who claimed it was justified. I still wouldn't wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt, that is all

[Globaluser]

Now, that’s not very true, is it?

[plodalong12]

@ofwarren

Because of the controversial t-shirt she was wearing I expect.
I agree, it's hardly been in the news has it.
I just saw sky say that counter terrorism are involved now.

“Adult Human Female” has been described as controversial. “I Love J.K Rowling” has been described as controversial as well. But “Adult Human Female”, “I love J.K Rowling” and “I am Charlie” are not controversial statements. People don’t like what they stand for because they don’t agree with the sentiments behind the message. That’s no justification whatsoever to get violent even without a weapon, let alone to stab someone.

[Globaluser]

“I am Charlie” is not freedom of speech, its more like freedom of being offensive. That’s my opinion of it anyways

[pleasedonttextmyman]

@jezzyj

Because she wants to and she's free to wear what she wants without getting slashed in the head with a knife?

I don't think anyone disputes her right to wear the t shirt. I definitely condemn the attacks but I'd never wear a Charlie Hebdo shirt as doing so implies actively supporting them

you do what you want, but I'd be more than happy to wear something actively supporting free speech, which is what the #jesuischarlie movement was about.

Not people specifically agreeing with the content, but with their right to publish it.

[pleasedonttextmyman]

@Globaluser

“I am Charlie” is not freedom of speech, its more like freedom of being offensive. That’s my opinion of it anyways

so... proving your right to laugh at government, religions, current events?

We NEED that right. You don't have to find them funny as an individual, but the day we stop taking the piss of everything, we might as well be in North Korea.

We need irreverence, we need light-hearted nonsense. Or at least for them to be out there, you don't have to buy them.

[Steakandcheeseplease]

A woman got stabbed for wearing a fucking T-Shirt. I hope he gets sent to prison as a terrorist.

We are in an age now when you actually can't show your true feelings on anything. Its scary

[DistanceCall]

@jezzyj Some of us do actively support free speech and a free press. Even when it's not tasteful, or "nice".

[CrouchEndTiger12]

@Steakandcheeseplease

A woman got stabbed for wearing a fucking T-Shirt. I hope he gets sent to prison as a terrorist.

We are in an age now when you actually can't show your true feelings on anything. Its scary

Agreed.

But people are too focused on whether people are wearing masks or standing a mm too close in a queue.

No one seems to care about anything else and it's terrifying.

[sleepygnome]

^“I am Charlie” is not freedom of speech, its more like freedom of being offensive. That’s my opinion of it anyways*

But the whole point of freedom of expression is the freedom to be offensive. Lots of things are offensive to lots of people, however the answer is not to stab someone. And we don't have blasphemy laws in this country (yet), so she is absolutely entitled to her opinion and as a woman, and especially as a woman of colour in 21st century Britain, it's outrageous that anyone thinks a man's feelings need protecting from a small, unarmed woman.

[ofwarren]

Totally agree with you

[tallduckandhandsome]

Speakers Corner regularly gets rowdy and aggressive, I don't think it's terror related.

[CrouchEndTiger12]

@tallduckandhandsome

Speakers Corner regularly gets rowdy and aggressive, I don't think it's terror related.

The context with Charlie Hebdo and the terror attack on it in Paris suggests it was

[ofwarren]

I was supposed to say I totally agree with @plodalong12

[FOJN]

The woman who was attacked had converted from Islam to Christianity. She was speaking against Islam, the Charlie Hebo T shirt was relevant to her message but it is not a justification to perpetrate an act of violence.

I've heard many views I vehemently disagree with but have managed not to stab anyone expressing them. Freedom of speech also means freedom to offend, you don't have a right NOT to be offended.

My opinion on her views and her T shirt are irrelevant, I am not the arbiter of what constitutes acceptable speech. Either you value the democratic right to free expression or you favour authoritarianism. She was at speakers corner FFS, if people didn't agree with her they could argue their point.

[pleasedonttextmyman]

It's a real worry that on one side we are allowed to mock Jesus, Christianity, buddhism but we are slowly allowing other religions to take a special status and be out of bound.

It doesn't work like that. All religious characters are equally fair game. Good taste? respectful? possibly not. So what.

The one that needs to be mocked the most is the one that resist the most. We want to keep freedom of speech don't you.

Caricatures of your god on your place of worshipped have no right to be there, and you can fight that. Caricature of your god in a local cafe or other communal space? Get over it.

[StrangeLookingParasite]

I can't say I've read their magazine but from the ones I've seen, they are in no way balanced

Then perhaps you should be better informed before judging.

[tallduckandhandsome]

The context with Charlie Hebdo and the terror attack on it in Paris suggests it was

Hopefully we don't convict people on 'suggestions'.

[CatAndHisKit]

jezzyj I didn't see Maghan and other covers, but the woman wearing it wasn't white - they mock anything and eberything, incl Christianity. As pp said, free speech always has an element of being offensive to SOMEONE, then another day to someone else, othweise you wouldn't be able to satirise. It's really not jus them, they may ne a bit sharper than others, but it's humour.
Also if they were constantly mocking one social group then it may haev been sinister, as it is they are just irreverent, and have a right to be that, and readers have a right to buy/not to buy.
Also they wer chosen as an easy target by a terrorist, while the real racists are all around and vocal on social media

[Bumblecattabbybee]

@letmethinkaboutitfornow

Why would anyone wear a Charlie hebdo t-shirt? 🤷🏻‍♀️😳

This.

[UsedUpUsername]

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

I haven't heard anything about it, probably because, according to that report, she sustained was a minor head wound so not much to report on really.

You don’t really believe that, do you?

A woman gets stabbed in a park simply because of what she’s wearing, and it’s not a big deal?

[UsedUpUsername]

It's a real worry that on one side we are allowed to mock Jesus, Christianity, buddhism but we are slowly allowing other religions to take a special status and be out of bound

It’s because the stakes are too high. Make fun of a Christian or Sikh and they get visibly annoyed but do nothing. Make fun of Islam and ... you could get murdered.

[Marchitectmummy]

I agree with you OP there is a definite pattern to coverage and support on both of these incidents. People aren't being honest about their views in public, far more twittering behind closed doors.

[Whoarethewho]

*It's a real worry that on one side we are allowed to mock Jesus, Christianity, buddhism but we are slowly allowing other religions to take a special status and be out of bound.
*

Indeed as someone who is critical of Islam and how it operates on a secular society particularly its role in women's rights. I am surprised on this site to see the site's owners actively taking a side on this and allowing anything about other religions but removing comments about Islam.

Either way this is a terrible attack on free speech. The t-shirts about adult human female and I love j k Rowling are as offensive but I'm sure people would be less victim blaming if they were stabbed.

Je suis Charlie