NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

An extra thousand a month from a 3% pay rise?

Have you ever earned your own money or have you always just spent other people's?

Surely it would be easier to simply agree to match RPI and keep it at that

Yes it would. And if NHS pay scales had increased in line with RPI for the last ten years we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

Pay is rising so fast across the board that the state pension is predicted to increase by 8% next year, given that pay will be the highest element of the triple lock.

Now that’s all very lovely and I’ll be delighted but I’d rather see NHS staff get 8% and my state pension increase by 3%. After all, my pandemic was spent sitting on my arse reading a book.

@fromdownwest

For all those who say if Nursing is so amazing, then retrain.

I say, if the private sector is so well paid and an easy ride, quit nursing and take a job with no pension, no sick pay and living day to day at risk.

Quite.

Come see how amazing the private sector is.

@mumsneedwine - It's ok, they will be back when they have to cope with

• Shocking DC pension Schemes
• 26 days annual leave
• At risk of redundancy
• Unpaid over time
• No sick pay
• forever expanding job roles

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

A thousand a month is nowhere near right. A year maybe.

I agree NHS staff should get a higher pay rise.

Why do you work 12.5 hr shifts? Why not spread it to a normal working week instead of cramming it in over 3 day? Surely that is not good for patient care or staff.

@mumsneedwine

Frankly I just do not think teachers deserve a pay rise after what has gone on over the past year.

I appreciate that many teachers went above and beyond during closures. But equally a good number did very little.

Private sector businesses would have ended up with no customers had they offered the same level of provision as many schools during lockdown.

Equally, the unions have not helped teachers’ case with their near daily demands for school closures. Schools would have been closed since last February and still not open if it was up to the unions!

I think 3% is a good offer in today’s climate. I haven’t had a pay rise for 5 years.

[quote fromdownwest]@mumsneedwine - It's ok, they will be back when they have to cope with

• Shocking DC pension Schemes
• 26 days annual leave
• At risk of redundancy
• Unpaid over time
• No sick pay
• forever expanding job roles[/quote]

Sounds better than being assaulted at whilst working hours of unpaid overtime. Laughable comparison, you've not a clue.

@Charlotte2020

They deserve a pay rise and need some sort of incentive to retain staff. But the money just isn't there/it's going on other stuff. No govt department is getting a rise this year (and had incremental rises stopped about 10years ago) and many are overworked to the point of breaking- people just talk with their feet more in other depts. it's the only way greedy MPs listen, it's harder to do in healthcare I imagine but until it happens nothing will change. I'm sure the govt think everyone will just take out a BUPA package and be fine- I looked into that myself and couldn't afford it!

It isn't true that no govt department is getting a pay rise. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/revelations-of-13pc-hmrc-pay-rise-shine-light-on-nhs-pay-dispute/ This rise has been funded by savings from harmonisation of legacy contracts and is at no cost to the taxpayer, according to the article. Perhaps there may be scope to find the money somewhere in a similar way for the NHS - although it would likely take years to negotiate, as this pay rise did.

@fromdownwest no they won't. Most ones I know off to civil service type jobs. And overtime is laughable for a teacher as they don't get paid for it but do it every day. And weekends. Pension not as good as everyone thinks. And not many professions get called lazy workday bastards as much as teachers so they'll not have that to deal with. Oh and won't be in small crowded unventilated rooms in Sept with no one wearing a mask anymore.
Not sure people realise how bad retention is this year. No school I know locally is fully staffed for September.

@Blossomtoes

Surely it would be easier to simply agree to match RPI and keep it at that

Yes it would. And if NHS pay scales had increased in line with RPI for the last ten years we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

Pay is rising so fast across the board that the state pension is predicted to increase by 8% next year, given that pay will be the highest element of the triple lock.

Now that’s all very lovely and I’ll be delighted but I’d rather see NHS staff get 8% and my state pension increase by 3%. After all, my pandemic was spent sitting on my arse reading a book.

I don't disagree with this, but why NHS staff rather than ALL public sector staff.

Surely its just as important that bin men and social workers and teachers and crematorium staff and firefighters and police officers and care workers etc have salaries that keep up with inflation as nurses and hospital receptionists and physios and speech therapists and health visitors etc.

An extra thousand a year more like! I'm a nurse in a busy elderly rehab ward, most of which have Dementia, a lot of patients needing one to one staff and enhanced care. We are always shirt staffed and falls are happening regularly when they were few and far between before covid. My pay this month was £1653 after tax and I work full time, weekends, mixed days and nights. I also have a 20 month old and am absolutely bloody frazzled! Honestly considering either taking a career break completely or looking at a less stressful similarly paid job like in a hotel.

I think 3% should be a blanket pay rise this year for NHS staff, police, teachers, but agreed on the caveat that pay rise of 3% or above are standard for every year going forward.

Apart from not increasing NHS wages over the last 10 years per inflation, the other problem is that the Conservatives have underfunded the NHS for the last 10 years, so along with low wages staff are dealing with a system creaking at the edges putting a burden on our workers.

Thus I think 3% is acceptable, but conservative have to agree along term strategy of improvements that also improve working conditions, systems and processes.

The only people that have had a steady pay rise over the last decade are our politicians.

So whilst there is all this infighting, we’re not focusing on the greedy fuckers with their snouts in the trough

Until the masses learn to work together nothing is going to change

@GreenLakes where did you find that info about Unions as I've not seen one thing from any of them asking for school closures. Not once. They've asked for safer classrooms but that was ignored. 75% of staff in my school have now had Covid (antibody tests). Not sure many work places can boast such a high infection rate. And 1 died. Many have long Covid, as do some kids.

@mumsneedwine - Staying on the gravy train then, why not the overpaid and wonderous private sector?

Every job does over time, so that is nothing special to teachers

The pension is ridicoulsy good when compared to the average private sector DC scheme, so please don't insult us with that.

Any reason why my friend can not get a Primary job? Too many applicants does not indicate a shortage of teachers.

@emsyj37 I imagine if they overhauled the NHS (looking at admin and managerial procedures and staffing), the same way they did the MOD about 12 yrs back they'd find the cash for better salaries and more staff. No one will though as it would be a bloody horrible job to do and the mere suggestion sends people into outrage.

@DanniDuck constant demands ? What you mean for masks and ventilation. Because not doing that in classrooms has gone really well hasn't it.

I think that if the middle management of the NHS was scrutinised and streamlined, then each nurse could have a 10% pay rise!

@fromdownwest

For all those who say if Nursing is so amazing, then retrain.

I say, if the private sector is so well paid and an easy ride, quit nursing and take a job with no pension, no sick pay and living day to day at risk.

Thats the private sector workers fault for not organising themselves into unions and striking to get better pay and conditions.... its been done before!

After all, the money is there, directors pay has sky rocketted in the last few years, as have share prices and dividends, even during the pandemic.

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

Extra thousand a month? Was it not per year

Plus inflation this year is 3.5 %

Like wtf

why NHS staff rather than ALL public sector staff

Because this thread’s about the NHS pay rise.