NHS Pay award

[Thedogscollar]

So this is what they have come back with from the insulting 1% offer by increasing it to a paltry 3%.
Workers are leaving in their droves we have a massive deficit in nursing and midwifery which is worsening daily.

I work in the South East of England, we are hugely affected with shortages in staffing, virtually every 12.5 hrs shift I do we cannot have a break due to work acuity and lack of staff. We have junior staff in tears with the pressure put upon them.
We aren't paid for our break and we are hard pushed to get it back as time owing. We cover empty shifts on the bank over and above our contracted hours as we know how hard it is for our colleagues in there.
We are all reaching breaking point some are there now and gone off sick. It is exhausting physically but more so mentally as you know before you even get to work what it's going to be like.

I have payslips going back 10 plus years and in that time my salary has barely changed and I am at the top of my band.

Our management team held an urgent meeting the other day to discuss the crisis going on within our trust with staffing and work acuity. Nothing was really dealt with just more management speak.

This government has to look after the NHS staff that have given so much and still are. Staff retention is in crisis and by offering this paltry pay rise they are doing nothing to stop this disaster becoming a momentous catastrophe resulting in even worsening patient safety levels being eroded even more.

How on earth can this government justify 30 plus billions for track n trace and HSS yet not offer a decent pay rise to NHS workers and in that I include care workers too.

Boris and co should hang their heads in shame but as per they think they are doing so well in offering us anything.

I'm sure I will have people coming on now to say they have lost jobs and taken paycuts and for that I am truly sorry but this cannot be used as an arguement for a huge group of essential workers being financially and emotionally abused by their employer which is exactly what this government are doing.

I also think we should right off student loans for nurses/ dra etc who work in the nhs for 6 years or so as to me they have then given back and ao many people never pay a loan back as they never work in a high enough paid job , this could help as a little less going out each month and an incentive to stay a little longer

12 hour shifts were introduced because they had cut the number of staff "required" to run a ward so far back that they didn't have the number of people needed to run 8 hour shifts and everyone still be able to get the mandatory break between shifts. The solution to this wasn't to say perhaps we have cut it back too far to operate safely and efficiently, it was to say let's make everyone work longer hours - problem solved

@DanniDuck v raw nerve. I've watched my friend die, I've watched kids become shadows of themselves and I'm knackered. Off to teach - maybe I should just not bother snd go and sit in the sun.

There has been no response from the people desperately defending them to my comment about millions of people having a WAY worse time over this past year and a half than NHS workers, with their loss of business and home etc...

I’ll answer. NHS staff moved out of their homes to protect their families, spent 12 hours without a break in PPE with masks destroying their faces, got covid, saw patient after patient die, saw colleagues die and many have ended up with PTSD.

Meanwhile so many homes and businesses have been lost that the property market is now booming and the state pension is predicted to rise 8% based on the increase in average earnings. That doesn’t support an argument of mass loss of homes and businesses.

In turn, I still want to have details of the concessions NHS staff apparently get @DanniDuck. This is the third time of asking.

@ChainJane

3% seems pretty generous to me considering many people in the private sector are getting nothing at all. The BBC report I read said the average nurse would be getting an extra thousand a month because of it.

NHS staff are in the fortunate position that their jobs are never going to be made redundant, a comfort few employees have these days.

Are you joking. The average will be getting less than £1000 extra a year. In take home pay terms that’s probably more like £10 a week.

I think its more than just a payrise needed though , 12.5 hr shifts isn't ideal, much better to have more staff, shorter shifts and a less stressful job, that then the salary may not look as bad. Getting public onside is often hard as for many a £25000 a year job is just a dream so they can't always see it.
I work 40 hrs a week for £18000 although I fully appreciate what nurses etc do is harder work in a different way and do think pay should be better , with maybe a bonus scheme to recognise those that have gone over and above , reached 5 years , 10'years etc

@mrsm43s

That's 3% on top of their annual increment, is that correct?

So quite a chunky pay rise for most NHS staff, many of whom have been working a reduced workload from home throughout the whole of the pandemic. Many of whom who also have been working their socks off on the front line & I agree deserve it.

I appreciate some people are at the top of their scale, and happy to not progress further to more senior roles. But you can't expect inflation busting payrises if you're no longer progressing in your career.

3% is above inflation, and most will receive a additional increment point on top. I think its a pretty good deal to be honest.

0% for local authority staff who kept working throughout and arranged all the emergency parcels/emergency assistance in the community. Also no freebies, no discounts etc, and our base salaries are way lower than NHS for comparable jobs. I know its not a race to the bottom, but I wish we were recognised and rewarded in the way that NHS staff are. 3% should have been awarded to ALL public sector workers who were on the front line throughout.

Nope, you are incorrect. There are no annual increments.

Increments are now every 2, 3 or 5 years BUT they are not actually guaranteed.

One of the things that keeps coming up here is "ha you should try private sector of you think public sector is bad" the fact is that lots of people have worked private sector. They then went into the NHS and they still think that private sector is preferable for pay and conditions. I said it myself earlier and many many nurses move into private sector work having done their time in the NHS. This should be telling you something about how bad it really is - if you know how bad private sector can be imagine how bad public sector must be in some areas that private side is better.

@Blossomtoes you must also see that many of us in private sector also lost our jobs and our homes are at risk
My dh is not nhs but had to also work throughout visiting people in their homes with just a cloth mask for his protection, he just works in housing but things didn't stop
Teachers also had to work and supermarket staff etc, yes we can all agree nhs had it worse but they always would on a pandemic due to nature of job
12-15% was never going to happen , how would that be paid for other than raising taxes , then you would be giving in one hand and taking with the other.
The issue is cost of living is ridiculous.
Like i said before the concessions prob meant good pension , sick pay and that many shops offer 10% off for nhs staff etc

For all those who think NHS staff have got a good deal, just don’t get sick…. I mean it!

Hospitals are becoming dangerous places to be. There are so many gaps on the rotas at our local hospital (literally not enough staff to cover them), that some wards don’t actually have a Doctor assigned to them. And the only nursing staff are agency so they don’t really know where anything is or how that particular hospital works in terms of processes etc

So yeah keep going on about pensions, job security blah blah But don’t get sick….

@worriedatthemoment

Can someone tell me what pay grades are in nhs ? As newly qualified community nurse I know makes quite good money I think? Not sure if unusual There was no way 10% would be given to nurses or teachers as the funds are simply not there. Things like free parking etc should be a given for nhs staff and could help hugely for many. The nhs needs a total reform with less managers etc and more frontline

A newly qualified community nurse or allied health professional such as OT, physio or speech therapist will start at £24,907. They will also have approx £50,000 of student loan debt.

The payrise is being funded out of the NHS budget, no extra money.

So a cut in funding, less money to retain staff, further running down the NHS and cuts in services.

Well done Tory supporters.

@Bufferingkisses are you talking private sector nursing though or private sector as in working in a warehouse or a supermarket as big difference
A solicitor is private sector thats very different to working in private sector in a warehouse
If you want the public on your side you have to see it from all angles

Interestingly he didn’t do a single one of the things in @blossomtoes hyperbolic post either

My stepdaughter, who’s an ITU nurse, did all of those things. It was her life, not hyperbole.

@jasjas1973

The payrise is being funded out of the NHS budget, no extra money.

So a cut in funding, less money to retain staff, further running down the NHS and cuts in services.

Well done Tory supporters.

It’s being funded by a 1% increase in national insurance contributions.

@MissyB1 then why are the only voicea we here about the payrise ?
We need the unions loud about the rest and a reform of nhs is long overdue
It seems they have to do a 3% rise for all when it would be better targeted as in my area nhs admin pays a lot better than private admin with better perks . And drs / consultants can be on very good money and a lot do half nhs / half private

[quote DanniDuck]**@worriedatthemoment* Don't be silly @Blossomtoes* and people like her don't give a shit about people in the private sector. Too busy banging on about how hard done by the poor public sector workers are. [/quote]
If you can give me some evidence of hardship in the private sector, please do so. As I’ve pointed out the economy’s current performance doesn’t support your view.

By the way, what are those concessions?

I think sometimes when you work within an organisation that provides decent pensions, paid maternity leave, annual baseline pay increments, options for flexible working etc, it can be difficult to understand the value of those things as they are taken for granted. Baseline pay can appear relatively on the low side but in the private sector working conditions can be far worse.

Now that's not to say that it should be a race to the bottom. But it has to be paid for. Investment in things like Covid apps etc seem expensive but they are one off capital expenditure that can be tidied out of the annual budget for the government. The wages of NHS staff cannot, anything they offer now has to be paid for every year going forward.

Money is not the only reason people are leaving. The salaries are publically available online and young people apply for nursing and medicine in droves, so they are aware of the salary and feel its reasonable. What then drives people away is the workload, administration, bureaucracy etc.

I'm sorry worried, I'm confused by your question, I think I'm missing something? I wasn't meaning any particular type of role I was meaning coming out of public sector and doing something equivalent to your NHS role (whatever that is - nursing, finance, IT) in private sector?