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Was I wrong to be upset?

86 replies

GreenFlipFlop · 15/07/2021 11:55

Usually a lurker but had to seek some advice on this one because it’s been giving me a few restless nights. Sorry it’s a bit long.

It was my friend’s birthday so I popped over to drop a card. It was a doorstop visit, quick hello. She asked her 4YO son to come and say hello and he was playing so refused which didn’t bother me at all. Friend’s partner who I’ve not seen in around 5 years and I’ve never really gotten on with as he has historically treated her badly (she knows this so tends to keep us apart) came to the door to say hello which was fine. However, when son refused to say hello, he said ‘say hello otherwise 'GreenFlipFlop' will think you’re racist’ (I’m black). I was really taken aback by this as it was really random and I was a bit upset by it because it implied to me that black people think that everything and everyone is racist. I think my face changed and my friend sensed this but neither of us said anything and partner had walked away by then, I talked to her for a bit then said my goodbyes.

She text me 2 days later thanking me for card and normally I’m quite a non-confrontational person so don’t say anything however, this had been playing on my mind for 2 days and I was actually quite angry the more I thought about it because I thought it was a really inappropriate thing to say to a child and about me. I asked her what he meant by it and she apologised to me and said he gets really awkward when he hasn’t seen anyone for a while. She then forwarded me a message that was ‘supposedly’ typed by him apologising to me. I told her I accepted the apology, but basically that generally having a family that had felt the effects of racism, it wasn’t very nice and had upset me.

Friend understandably very upset by everything that happened and told me she had been crying since I sent the text as she was upset and didn’t think I’d want to be friends anymore. I said that wasn’t the case but I was just sick of holding these things in when they happened because its always me that gets upset and dwells on it and just wanted to make her aware.

Her mum later messaged me upset that I had called her daughter a racist and saying that neither of them were racist and that I had taken what was said the wrong way. Felt very victim blaming and I didn’t understand why her mum was getting involved when me and friend had had an amicable conversation between us. I forwarded mum last message sent to friend and she apologised that she had accused me. I accepted apology because cba with the drama and didn’t want to communicate with her any longer. However, I’m now left feeling like I tried to speak up for once about something that upset me and became the unreasonable one, like me being upset about what was said was less important than my friend being upset which is exactly why people don’t speak up about these things in the first place. Haven’t spoken to friend or mother since which was a couple of days ago. Feel very odd about the friendship now.

Did I make too big a deal of the partner’s comment?

OP posts:
Amaizing · 15/07/2021 13:34

I also don't think you should have to take it up with the partner or the mother. You were there to see your friend and they pulled you into this.

IDontReadEyebrows · 15/07/2021 13:37

@Taliskerskye

He is weird She is weird Her mum is weird Oh and he’s definitely a racist.

I would steer well clear of all of them! I would be so dumbfounded if an adult friends mum texted me!

Agree wholeheartedly with this.

You are not overreacting- this is dog whistle racism and her racist husband couldn’t resist shoehorning it into the conversation. I’m really sorry that these awful people have made you doubt that you’re totally in the right to feel the way you do about this whole sorry mess they started.

lovelybitofsquirrell · 15/07/2021 13:43

Very odd situation.

Her DP is an utter cockwomble.

I would tread very carefully on this one for your friends sake. you say she is treated badly by him, it is understandable that she wont challenge him on this if she is scared of him.

Hopefully you can now go another 5 years without seeing the awful DP.

Drivingmeupthewall · 15/07/2021 13:45

@ChainJane

I think you're all in the wrong. You shouldn't make your friend feel uncomfortable because of the actions of someone else. Your problem is with the person who said that to you (which, tbh, doesn't sound that bad in the grand scheme of things - someone just wanting not to appear that their child is racist. If this was after the football game on Sunday he's probably ultra cautious about this issue, because racism is all over the news at the moment). I don't think your friend's mother complaining to you is any worse than you complaining to your friend about a third party.

I agree with other posters, you're better off without them and they are probably better off without you.

A racism apologist? Aren’t you a peach.
QueenBee52 · 15/07/2021 13:47

OP Im sorry this happened to you...

Cut them ALL off... they are horrible people 🌸

Youdiditanyway · 15/07/2021 13:48

They’re all a bit strange, I’d probably avoid this friend in future. Her partner was completely out of line and she should have called him out on it, I’d be horrified if my DH said something so small minded especially to our child. Perhaps given your mention of his historic bad treatment towards her, she’s afraid of him hence not calling him out? Not sure but she definitely should have text you straight after to apologise profusely if that’s the case. Getting her Mum involved like she’s an 8 year old is just fucking weird. I’d steer clear personally, they’re all a bit loopy.

Ooof · 15/07/2021 13:53

He’s a racist and a dick and I’m sorry but your ‘friend’ doesn’t seem to see that, or doesn’t care.
You have every right to be upset by this. Flowers

GreenFlipFlop · 15/07/2021 13:53

Thank you everyone. I've lost 2 night's sleep over this partly because I'm upset it all happened and also because I've been worried that I'd been making a bigger deal of it then it was and the resulting drama from her mum. Yes, we are adults as someone asked which is why I was so surprised she messaged! It was on Facebook messenger. We're not friends but she's messaged me before about an event for friend ages ago so it didn't come up as a request.

She has lost quite a few friends over this partner and there have been stories she's told me in the past about racism from his side of the family. I stayed quiet when she told me about those incidents but went home upset and thinking about it. This time I didn't want that so thought I'd bring it up. They've been together 12 years since she was young and as far as I know, no physical abuse but I would definitely say he's ground her down with negative comments over the years and also bad behaviour in communicating with other women etc. It's very unlikely she'll leave as they've just bought a house together (inheritance from his side) and they have her son. Friends and I have tried for years. I'm the last friend still around (which is what her mum messaged me saying she was so disappointed in me saying all this for because everyone else has 'turned their backs one by one') and whilst I want to stay there and be a friend because I genuinely think she's been really upset by this situation, so have I and I really don't want to have to deal with him ever again and now her mum either for the sake of my own mental health

OP posts:
GreenFlipFlop · 15/07/2021 13:55

@Youdiditanyway I also thought the same about texting. I was a bit upset I had to bring it up to be honest, I can only assume she was so mortified she thought it was easier to just ignore it

OP posts:
QueenBee52 · 15/07/2021 13:59

I really don't want to have to deal with him ever again and now her mum either for the sake of my own mental health

and you shouldn't have too.. and certainly not for this friend who enables him..

Choose You OP... choose your mental wellbeing... and a healthy life...

cut out the rot 💕

Hoppinggreen · 15/07/2021 14:02

It’s good to support a friend but not at the expense of your own MH
He’s a racist and for whatever reason she has made the decision to stay with him which makes her culpable too.
She shouldn’t expose you to his behaviour

NCJuly2021 · 15/07/2021 14:05

When it comes to racism, people make much more of a big deal at being told their behaviour is racist, than actually acknowledging the racism. It’s as if being called a racist is so much more offensive than being on the receiving end of racist behaviour. I find it really really odd.

That’s what seems to have happened here. Instead of acknowledging his behaviour was racist, it’s more how dare you accuse it of being racist. You did nothing wrong, he’s the racist twat, and your friend is indeed victim blaming to make it seem like you’re the difficult one.

Uramaki · 15/07/2021 14:07

which is what her mum messaged me saying she was so disappointed in me saying all this for because everyone else has 'turned their backs one by one') but you are in no way responsible for everyone else abandoning her.

hardboiledeggs · 15/07/2021 14:09

You took it the way he intended for you to take it. He's a racist, nasty man. Her Mum is an enabler and your friend....well I can't decide if she is just as bad or being abused. That poor kid is going to grow up thinking saying stuff like that is ok.

VodkaSlimline · 15/07/2021 14:14

YANBU. 4yos don't know what racism is, nor does it occur to them to treat people of other ethnicities differently unless someone puts the idea in their head. He is a racist and he's grooming his son to be the same. Distance yourself.

Cloudninenine · 15/07/2021 14:15

He’s racist, and she is trying the classic trick of making herself into a victim - ‘you’ve made me feel bad about what happened which means you’re just as bad as me or worse’.

You did nothing wrong, and I’m sorry your friend wasn’t decent enough to stand up to her husband in front of you, or at least to acknowledge that what he did was shitty and wrong.

RowanAlong · 15/07/2021 14:16

You were right to speak up, he was rude and odd, and sounds like you handled it all very well. Your friend sounds like she cares very much what you think so yes stick to just seeing her (not him) and keep up the honesty!

todaysdilemma · 15/07/2021 14:32

As a person of colour myself, I'm normally quite thick skinned with odd comments but this would have made me livid. The fact that skin colour has even popped into his head! Worse that he's teaching a small child to view you through the colour of your skin as well. He's the worst kind of racist, with insidious comments like this that have you questioning whether you overreacted. Racism isn't always abuse, it can also be being singled out pointedly as 'different' for no reason. It also shows a passive aggressive mocking of racism by him, by indicating a 4 year old could be deemed racist for just not talking to you.

I think your friend's reaction is genuine, but honestly, she cannot expect to keep friends with her partner and mother getting so involved. Don't cut her off as it seems she's in a bad position with this man, and may need help further down the line. But definitely take a lot of space and only meet her in situations where you won't come across him, or her mother. You are not her keeper.

Really sorry you had to deal with this, especially with a friend.

WellLarDeDar · 15/07/2021 16:08

Such a weird thing for your friends partner to say! Sorry you had to put up with such a weird and awkward situation. Irks me as well when fully grown adults have their mums sending people messages on their behalf. I would steer clear of them from now on, you dont need that sort of drama in your life!

Piffle11 · 15/07/2021 16:27

I don’t think you made too much of a deal of it. In fact, I think conversations such as yours are often not had for fear of ‘rocking the boat’, or creating confrontation… And this is why a lot of casual racism goes unchecked. It’s time to start pulling people up about things like this. I completely understand why you didn’t tackle him: first of all, sometimes we think about these things in the hours and days after the meeting, rather than at the time. Should you have contacted him? Why? You don’t get on, he’s not a nice person, and he sounds like he doesn’t like you … Your friend contacted you, you told her what was on your mind, and she became upset. You can’t control how people react when you tell them how you feel. As long as you are not deliberately mean – which you weren’t – I really don’t think you have anything to feel bad about. Your friend is living with someone who is not good for her or her child, and yet she chooses to be there, knowing what he is like. The thing about crying and thinking you didn’t want to be friends is like something out of the playground. I would be angry that her mum decided to get involved and turn it back on you: It would be interesting to know whether your friend knew her mum was going to contact you. I would be taking a step back from this friendship.

Maggiesfarm · 15/07/2021 16:28

If that man was my husband - well, he would stay my husband.
I would be mortified.

NoMoreCovidPlease · 15/07/2021 16:40

Just distance yourself away from her. You tried to help, she didn't want it. She's a grown woman and she can reach out if she ever leaves him. You should not put up with this kind of behaviour- both the racism and the unnecessary drama afterwards, they're all as bad as each other.

You've done nothing wrong and yet she has made you feel that way. She's made sure you'll never bring it up again in case you make her cry again

ohthatbloodycat · 15/07/2021 16:47

What a pack of twats.

YADNBU Thanks

JonahofArk · 15/07/2021 16:53

Honestly I'd call it a day with this friend. So he's moved on from abusing her to abusing her friends? You don't have to put up with his behaviour. And as for her mum-she wasn't there, she didn't witness the situation, and she needs to butt out.

QueenBee52 · 15/07/2021 19:50

@GreenFlipFlop

how are you OP 🌸

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