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Was I wrong to be upset?

86 replies

GreenFlipFlop · 15/07/2021 11:55

Usually a lurker but had to seek some advice on this one because it’s been giving me a few restless nights. Sorry it’s a bit long.

It was my friend’s birthday so I popped over to drop a card. It was a doorstop visit, quick hello. She asked her 4YO son to come and say hello and he was playing so refused which didn’t bother me at all. Friend’s partner who I’ve not seen in around 5 years and I’ve never really gotten on with as he has historically treated her badly (she knows this so tends to keep us apart) came to the door to say hello which was fine. However, when son refused to say hello, he said ‘say hello otherwise 'GreenFlipFlop' will think you’re racist’ (I’m black). I was really taken aback by this as it was really random and I was a bit upset by it because it implied to me that black people think that everything and everyone is racist. I think my face changed and my friend sensed this but neither of us said anything and partner had walked away by then, I talked to her for a bit then said my goodbyes.

She text me 2 days later thanking me for card and normally I’m quite a non-confrontational person so don’t say anything however, this had been playing on my mind for 2 days and I was actually quite angry the more I thought about it because I thought it was a really inappropriate thing to say to a child and about me. I asked her what he meant by it and she apologised to me and said he gets really awkward when he hasn’t seen anyone for a while. She then forwarded me a message that was ‘supposedly’ typed by him apologising to me. I told her I accepted the apology, but basically that generally having a family that had felt the effects of racism, it wasn’t very nice and had upset me.

Friend understandably very upset by everything that happened and told me she had been crying since I sent the text as she was upset and didn’t think I’d want to be friends anymore. I said that wasn’t the case but I was just sick of holding these things in when they happened because its always me that gets upset and dwells on it and just wanted to make her aware.

Her mum later messaged me upset that I had called her daughter a racist and saying that neither of them were racist and that I had taken what was said the wrong way. Felt very victim blaming and I didn’t understand why her mum was getting involved when me and friend had had an amicable conversation between us. I forwarded mum last message sent to friend and she apologised that she had accused me. I accepted apology because cba with the drama and didn’t want to communicate with her any longer. However, I’m now left feeling like I tried to speak up for once about something that upset me and became the unreasonable one, like me being upset about what was said was less important than my friend being upset which is exactly why people don’t speak up about these things in the first place. Haven’t spoken to friend or mother since which was a couple of days ago. Feel very odd about the friendship now.

Did I make too big a deal of the partner’s comment?

OP posts:
drpet49 · 15/07/2021 12:36

I don’t think your friend is as innocent as you think.

CustardySergeant · 15/07/2021 12:37

"To be fair to my friend I think she was upset talking to her mum about it and her mum probably messaged me off her own back, but I was just quite surprised by the message. I'm not even sure if she knows her mum messaged me."

Surely your friend must've given her mum your contact details or she wouldn't have been able to message you.

Hoppinggreen · 15/07/2021 12:37

@ChainJane

I think you're all in the wrong. You shouldn't make your friend feel uncomfortable because of the actions of someone else. Your problem is with the person who said that to you (which, tbh, doesn't sound that bad in the grand scheme of things - someone just wanting not to appear that their child is racist. If this was after the football game on Sunday he's probably ultra cautious about this issue, because racism is all over the news at the moment). I don't think your friend's mother complaining to you is any worse than you complaining to your friend about a third party.

I agree with other posters, you're better off without them and they are probably better off without you.

Clueless
JustATypo · 15/07/2021 12:38

It was shit for you but it wasn’t fair to dump that all on her, which you did do. She’s not responsible for her partner’s dickish comments, or her mum’s overly involved behaviour.

You said he treats her badly. Why didn’t you confront her partner instead of her if you were so bothered by it? What outcome did you expect by dumping on her? Was she an easier target (who is accustomed to being treated badly by those who are meant to care for her) than her partner who WAS the one who was a racist thick twit? I get you were upset and angry, but it was mean to dump what you were feeling on her, when she didn’t say it, isn’t able to do anything about it (she sounds downtrodden), and the only outcome was you made her as upset as you were feeling.

Hobbes8 · 15/07/2021 12:38

Racists don’t like it when their racism is pointed out to them, but it’s not your job to make them feel more comfortable.

HereIfYouNeedMe · 15/07/2021 12:41

@Hobbes8

Racists don’t like it when their racism is pointed out to them, but it’s not your job to make them feel more comfortable.
Exactly
StMarysKettle · 15/07/2021 12:42

I'm sorry you were on the receiving end of those comments that definitely racist.

If you already think he's treating your friend badly maybe he said it to get you to pull away from her so that she's more isolated. I think it depends how much you value her friendship as to whether you cut ties or whether you try to support her without seeing him

KarmaStar · 15/07/2021 12:45

Sorry you got upset ,he clearly knows you don't like him,also aware you know about his abusive behaviour and being defensive,he attacked.He was completely in the wrong.
What has happened since between you and your friend,that's another matter.
If you strongly believe she's selfish and has made it all about her then walk away,she's no friend.
If,on the other hand,she's feeling low because he's abusing her and she gets visibly upset because her life is horrible and this is something else he's done that's had a negative impact on her life,then I think I would meet her face to face and talk through what happened,she needs to acknowledge your feelings,but she might need a friend right now.
I hope you come to sort this out and you feel better for saying something,although the outcome wasn't what you expected,you have taken the first step towards challenging racism and I hope you continue to do so.💐

MrsTWH · 15/07/2021 12:52

No, OP wasn’t “dumping” all over her friend. As a friend, she should be allowing OP a safe space to bring these things up and and discuss them. She was not capable of doing that for the OP. Like a previous poster said, racists don’t like it when their racist behaviour is called out. It is NOT OP’s responsibility to smooth things over or make life comfortable for them.

user27424799642256 · 15/07/2021 12:55

Reading between the lines here, her partner is abusing her?

So this won't have been about racism or thinking you'd assume that or trying to parent his child or anything about you - it will have been about upsetting you so you would break off the friendship and leave friend even more isolated and controlled by him.

That's all abuse is about - power and control - not the incidents you see.

He has probably done stuff like this to disrupt her other friendships which was why she was so upset and worried about losing you over it.

You haven't done anything wrong. You just got caught up in someone else's toxic machinations with him using you as a tool to hurt and control her. He was probably continuing to stir behind the scenes afterwards too.

If you feel able, I would try to maintain the friendship so she has support and might eventually feel able to leave him. Disregard anything he does as the games of an abusive man. He will get a kick out of any reaction.

This is wrong and awful and I am not defending it, merely trying to explain so you have information to navigate it safely.

user27424799642256 · 15/07/2021 12:58

www.womensaid.org.uk/the-survivors-handbook/im-worried-about-someone-else/

Allowing him to isolate her plays into his hands.

yourestandingonmyneck · 15/07/2021 12:59

No, you didn't make a big deal out of it all.

Yes, it was a shit thing to say but if the reason she has given is that he felt "awkward" and just accidentally said something stupid and cringeworthy then ok. I'd forgive that, as you have.

The bit that would annoy me the most is the friends behaviour and the ridiculous involvement from her mummy.

I'd just leave it for a while. Hopefully she's thinking about what an idiots she's been.

One of my pet hates is people that cry when they've done something wrong. Just fucking own it and apologise, don't make it all about you.

FrangipaniBlue · 15/07/2021 13:01

Total projection on his part!!

It's exactly the kind of thing a racist gammon would say, "ooh be careful, you'll be accused of being racist next!"

Angry
Teaandjam · 15/07/2021 13:12

He’s racist. She probably is as well. She doesn’t like being called out on it so put the waterworks on. Typical behaviour in my experience.

WeBurnedSoBrightWeBurnedOut · 15/07/2021 13:14

@ChainJane

I think you're all in the wrong. You shouldn't make your friend feel uncomfortable because of the actions of someone else. Your problem is with the person who said that to you (which, tbh, doesn't sound that bad in the grand scheme of things - someone just wanting not to appear that their child is racist. If this was after the football game on Sunday he's probably ultra cautious about this issue, because racism is all over the news at the moment). I don't think your friend's mother complaining to you is any worse than you complaining to your friend about a third party.

I agree with other posters, you're better off without them and they are probably better off without you.

Absolute bollocks.

Yes racism is all over the county at the moment but that doesn't mean every single white person is now behaving in a way that makes them 'appear to not be racist' I would say the vast majority are continuing as they always have and not being ignorant, racist twats.

pigsDOfly · 15/07/2021 13:15

@ChainJane

I think you're all in the wrong. You shouldn't make your friend feel uncomfortable because of the actions of someone else. Your problem is with the person who said that to you (which, tbh, doesn't sound that bad in the grand scheme of things - someone just wanting not to appear that their child is racist. If this was after the football game on Sunday he's probably ultra cautious about this issue, because racism is all over the news at the moment). I don't think your friend's mother complaining to you is any worse than you complaining to your friend about a third party.

I agree with other posters, you're better off without them and they are probably better off without you.

What absolute rubbish.

The man's a racist and he's projecting with those comments.

Why would it even occur to someone that their 4 year old child might come across as racist because the child doesn't say hello to someone, and why would he feel the need to be 'ultra cautious' about racism because of the racist comments of a bunch of thugs at a football match?

The whole bunch of them sound quite unpleasant OP and frankly, a bit weird.

As others have said, might be time to knock this friendship on the head.

Schrutesbeets · 15/07/2021 13:15

This is just weird in every way!
I think the whole family definitely have problems with race, and your friend (if she doesn't) is a doormat for staying with anyone that would speak like that.
That poor child.
Dump the lot of them!

MrCoulsonRocksMyWorld · 15/07/2021 13:16

Urgh, they all sound extremely odd. Do yourself a favour and take a massive step back from them - do you actually need people like this in your life? It doesn’t sound like you’ve done anything wrong in the slightest. The mum though........ batshit. I presume her daughter is a grown adult. Literally WTF.

Uramaki · 15/07/2021 13:17

One of my pet hates is people that cry when they've done something wrong I'd rather someone cried about it because they felt bad than "own it" and not feel any sense of remorse

TheNameTheWebsiteForgot · 15/07/2021 13:18

You are so not BU.

Your friend is making this all about her knowing what a racist twat her other half is. Boo hoo she is upset. This would royally piss me off.

redcarbluecar · 15/07/2021 13:20

Good for you for saying something and making your feelings known. Friend’s reaction sounds fairly genuine but the mum’s involvement is weird. On the basis of what you’ve said I’d maintain the friendship with her but tread carefully.

TheGumption · 15/07/2021 13:24

@ChainJane

I think you're all in the wrong. You shouldn't make your friend feel uncomfortable because of the actions of someone else. Your problem is with the person who said that to you (which, tbh, doesn't sound that bad in the grand scheme of things - someone just wanting not to appear that their child is racist. If this was after the football game on Sunday he's probably ultra cautious about this issue, because racism is all over the news at the moment). I don't think your friend's mother complaining to you is any worse than you complaining to your friend about a third party.

I agree with other posters, you're better off without them and they are probably better off without you.

Who are you to decide it's not a big deal?
CareBear50 · 15/07/2021 13:25

@Tal45

You definitely didn't make too much of his comment but I think you should have taken it up with him, not your friend, as she already has enough problems being married to him and having a crazy mother. If you can't be friends with her because she is married to him that's fair enough, but I don't think you should make her take responsibility for his behaviour as it sounds like she is already enough of a victim.
I agree
Amaizing · 15/07/2021 13:25

What a weird family.

Her partner decided to make an unnecessary comments about the colour of your skin, and now you are the bad guy and even her mum is ganging up on you?? And your friend is blaming the drama on you, instead of asking them what they're on about??

It all sounds like a really unhealthy dynamic between your friend, her partner and her mother. If the friendship only comes with those weirdos attached I wouldn't blame you for rethinking whether you can stay friends with her.

adeleh · 15/07/2021 13:32

God. People often say it takes two in an argument, but that isn’t always the case. Sometimes one side is 100% in thewrong. This is one ofthose times. Youhave done absolutely nothing wrong. I’m sorry this happened. I’d have been really upset too.