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To need to become little more ruthless?

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WeirdArchitecture · 14/07/2021 20:15

Ive always been the type who tells the truth, honours decency and likes to live true to my heart. I make a point of not 'using' people or making my way forward in a mercenary fashion, so, for example I am not the type who would put money before love, and have always judged people on their behaviour rather than their abilities/status.
I want to add that I don't do this because I think it is correct, it is just who I am, generally.

I have no intention of trying to harden myself, but when I look around me, even the loveliest people I know tend to 'schmooze' or look out for social capital. And of those who do this, regardless how comfortably off they are/are not, seem to always land on their feet.

I am soon starting afresh, having prepared to leave my long term relationship of 20 yrs (we are good friends) and will be looking for a new place to rent, with a view to self sufficiency. I am self employed but on a. creative income so will need to add some extra work or ideas to go forward. I also have over 40k in the bank and I am excited to get moving.

However, I will be fussing about where to live, what to spend, how to get some extra work, make new friends and contacts, etc.
In comparison, I have a good friend who has always been a good social schmoozer who has literally no savings or work at present, and having amassed a decent level of social capital he is now in line for a new job and someone giving him their flat for 6 months while they're away.

Another friend, who I used to call 'mercenary' manages to always wind up in a wonderful position due to who she befriends. She is long term disabled and not working but thankfully has a pretty nice life with a cottage and garden (good connections to a lovely landlord).

Some seem to just land lucky, even when they have no assets.

Do I need to become a little more flexible with my own schmoozing and quit being to pure and true to these pretty ambiguous ideals?

What say you lot?

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WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:18

anyone?

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Merryoldgoat · 15/07/2021 00:23

I am unable to schmooze and therefore cannot help.

I’m an open book - my DH says he doesn’t think I’ve ever had an unexpressed emotion.

Occasionally I try to be a little less open etc but it usually lasts an hour. Be true to who you are. All other ways lead to madness.

WorraLiberty · 15/07/2021 00:24

It's not really clear what you're asking to be honest.

You seem pretty critical of your friends (albeit dressed up with nice words).

If you're asking if you should be more like them, I'm not sure why you'd want to as you appear to disapprove.

DoorAjar · 15/07/2021 00:25

What do you mean by ‘schmoozing’, exactly? And why do you feel that it is contrary to your ethics, impure, or in any way ‘mercenary’?

JaneJeffer · 15/07/2021 00:29

Those people sound like users. Do they move on when the person they are schmoozing no longer serves their needs?

Notapheasantplucker · 15/07/2021 00:30

What the frig is schmoozing?

WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:34

well that went down well!

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Bargebill19 · 15/07/2021 00:34

“Its not what you know it’s who you know,” was a phrase often heard when I was younger. Knowing people comes from socialising and achmoozing. It does seem to be true though.
Doesn’t really sit well or work for me.
Good luck op on new beginnings.

WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:36

I guess I am essentially asking should I maybe get more comfortable with 'networking' and creating new contacts and stuff or whether my almost heritage lifestyle is going against me.

not sure how the fuck this means I am judging my fiends. we are all just different.

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WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:37

Hermitage lifestyle Blush

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Bargebill19 · 15/07/2021 00:38

Op I don’t think you are judging your friends. Just observing and seeing what appears to work. You could opt to give it a go see what happens? Nothing to loose from trying.

WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:39

@Bargebill19

Op I don’t think you are judging your friends. Just observing and seeing what appears to work. You could opt to give it a go see what happens? Nothing to loose from trying.
haaaa but I don't know how to do it! my upbringing was a bit bohemian and all about 'be who you are' so I am a bit mushed up!
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Bargebill19 · 15/07/2021 00:41

Me neither. I tend to be bluntly honest. If you find the secret, you’ll make a fortune selling it to us social misfits.

DoorAjar · 15/07/2021 00:43

@WeirdArchitecture

I guess I am essentially asking should I maybe get more comfortable with 'networking' and creating new contacts and stuff or whether my almost heritage lifestyle is going against me.

not sure how the fuck this means I am judging my fiends. we are all just different.

Well, that’s what most people mean by ‘schmoozing’, but you sounded so disapproving I thought you had your own definition. In what way would you be being ‘untrue’ to yourself if you let it be known that you were looking for some extra paid work, or put the word around that you’re looking for a new rental?
WorraLiberty · 15/07/2021 00:44

@Notapheasantplucker

What the frig is schmoozing?
schmooze verb gerund or present participle: schmoozing talk with someone in a lively and friendly way, typically in order to impress or manipulate them.

The OP is saying her friends are manipulative and (I think) asking if she should become manipulative too?

JaneJeffer · 15/07/2021 00:44

You sound fairly hard already judging by your responses to people interacting with you here.

WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:46

well this is odd, I dint think schmoozing was manipulative.

I mean a coupe of my friends are very good with people and don't worry about exact authenticity. I don't think this is bad, it is just a different mindset. I suppose I might be weird but in a buddhist sense I don't judge.

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WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:47

@JaneJeffer

You sound fairly hard already judging by your responses to people interacting with you here.
oh!
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DoorAjar · 15/07/2021 00:49

@WeirdArchitecture

well this is odd, I dint think schmoozing was manipulative.

I mean a coupe of my friends are very good with people and don't worry about exact authenticity. I don't think this is bad, it is just a different mindset. I suppose I might be weird but in a buddhist sense I don't judge.

But what would be ‘inauthentic’ about meeting someone in your industry who has the capacity to hire you and letting them know you’re actively seeking work? It’s hardly Gordon Gekko territory.
WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:50

@DoorAjar I think this is my point, I don't think it is inauthentic, I am just literally unable to do it. I wish I could diversify! Would love some help:)

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DoorAjar · 15/07/2021 00:51

@WeirdArchitecture

well this is odd, I dint think schmoozing was manipulative.

I mean a coupe of my friends are very good with people and don't worry about exact authenticity. I don't think this is bad, it is just a different mindset. I suppose I might be weird but in a buddhist sense I don't judge.

But you’ve called them ‘mercenary’ and suggested they’re ‘inauthentic’, while describing your own mode of relating to the world as ‘pure’, ‘honouring decency’ ‘true to my heart’ etc.
WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:52

inauthentic isn't a helpful word, I don't know how to put it.
I think I mean being able to be more fluid and social. If this isn't your set point it is really hard.

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DoorAjar · 15/07/2021 00:53

Ok, so now you’re saying you can’t do it, not that you’re worried about the ethics of schmoozing? That’s an entirely different question.

What do you want, and who can help you get it, if not you alone?

WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:53

I think I have chosen words which are too incendiary. Apologies.

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WeirdArchitecture · 15/07/2021 00:54

hey, I didnt post here for a goddamn slanging match, calm the fuck down.

if anyone can see what I mean, and offer some clarity on what I have discussed, please do.

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