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Two Child Limit

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MobilityCat · 09/07/2021 16:00

Will you be affected? Campaigners have lost their legal challenge to the government's two-child limit on welfare payments.
They had argued the policy breached parents' and children's human rights. The Supreme Court dismissed their case.
The rule, which came into force in April 2017, restricts child tax credit and universal credit to the first two children in a family, with a few exceptions.
It was one of George Osborne's most debated austerity measures.
The policy has affected families of about one million children. Campaigners described the decision as "hugely disappointing".
Full story here www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57776103

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Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 25/07/2021 12:44

I think the decision was correct. Paying for two is already very generous on top of schooling, healthcare etc.People are free to have as many children, they just have to ensure they can afford their choices.. Supporting children financially is a parenting basic

This. Can't afford children? Don't have them!

ddl1 · 25/07/2021 12:54

Can't afford children? Don't have them!

I agree as regards people who currently can't afford to look after children; it's not like our ancestors who had no reliable contraception. But all sorts of unknowns can come up in the future; and in recent years we've had two totally unexpected disasters: the banking crisis and the pandemic.

If we're going to demand that no one have children unless they're absolutely sure they'd be able to cope with any eventuality, then there will be an awful lot of childless families and an awful lot of only children. We've already moved to some extent in that direction. Maybe it's desirable in some ways - and certainly the two-child cap is preferable to policies in some countries that actively encourage people to have as large families as possible, for religious or nationalistic reasons. But we also have to consider the possible disadvantages, especially with an ageing population; and certainly not assume that everyone should have a crystal ball to predict and deal with all possible disasters - especially as governments don't seem to be great at that!

lynsey91 · 25/07/2021 13:50

@ddl1

Can't afford children? Don't have them!

I agree as regards people who currently can't afford to look after children; it's not like our ancestors who had no reliable contraception. But all sorts of unknowns can come up in the future; and in recent years we've had two totally unexpected disasters: the banking crisis and the pandemic.

If we're going to demand that no one have children unless they're absolutely sure they'd be able to cope with any eventuality, then there will be an awful lot of childless families and an awful lot of only children. We've already moved to some extent in that direction. Maybe it's desirable in some ways - and certainly the two-child cap is preferable to policies in some countries that actively encourage people to have as large families as possible, for religious or nationalistic reasons. But we also have to consider the possible disadvantages, especially with an ageing population; and certainly not assume that everyone should have a crystal ball to predict and deal with all possible disasters - especially as governments don't seem to be great at that!

As I and other have said already, if you stick to 2 children and then something happens that you need benefits, you will get benefits for both children. If you have more than 2 you will only get for 2.

So the moral is stick to 2 children and then no matter what happens you will get help.

So, no it doesn't mean more childfree families (although more and more couples are choosing to remain childfree) or lots of only children

Drivingbuttercup1 · 25/07/2021 21:52

My point is that women A and Women B have reached their limit where the man in the situation can move on to women c and have more children.

Getawaywithit · 26/07/2021 10:45

Maybe those women could plan and save before having children, so that they are able to provide?

So before you had your children, you personally had sufficient money in the bank to be able to support your children, come rain or shine, for a minimum of 18 years? You factored in loss of wages should it have turned out that one of your children needed full time care? You were able to pay the mortgage on your family home by yourself? And you could also pay the mortgage, bills and childcare without any additional support from anyone?

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