Dogs in Restaurants

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Took my mum out to lunch today. It was a nice enough place-£25 per head.
Have expectations changed with regard to dogs in restaurants? There were four other tables in our section and three had a dog with them.
Two of them barked at least three times during the meal. One jumped up at a waitress carrying puddings to another table, paws on her apron. One jumped up at the table wanting to be fed. One was petted by another waitress who then went straight to a table to take orders without washing hands. One was lying in the way so that I had to ask the owner to move it to allow my mother to get through with her Walker.
We had a dog when I was a child. He never went to a restaurant. What about people with allergies?
Is it okay that they do? Do I need to get over myself? I tried to compare to children. I expect my children to cause no disturbance to others at a restaurant and to stay at the table. We expected this even when they were little and actually rarely went to restaurants anyway.

Our local restaurant does not allow dogs, thank goodness.

Every place I have ever eaten in that allows dogs always smells, feels dirty, looks dirty and you have the sensation of dog hair down the back of your throat as soon as you enter. It's just grim. That's before the dogs are behaved or badly behaved.

I don't believe dogs belong in nice places where I would go to eat a meal. I don't frequent places that allow them, not out of principle but more because it's not a pleasant experience for the reasons above.

Guide dogs are obviously an exception. (And sometimes better behaved than people 😂)

@BlueCupOrangeCup

Our local restaurant does not allow dogs, thank goodness.

Every place I have ever eaten in that allows dogs always smells, feels dirty, looks dirty and you have the sensation of dog hair down the back of your throat as soon as you enter. It's just grim. That's before the dogs are behaved or badly behaved.

I don't believe dogs belong in nice places where I would go to eat a meal. I don't frequent places that allow them, not out of principle but more because it's not a pleasant experience for the reasons above.

Guide dogs are obviously an exception. (And sometimes better behaved than people 😂)

Yes because guide dogs don't moult or smell do they. Its only pet dogs that make hair and smells 😂🙈

Can I just say again that there are many countries where dogs in cafes and restaurants are completely normal so o don’t think the hygiene argument really holds up.
I live in Germany and there are very few places we can’t take our dog to round here (not that we always do).
It really is what you’re used to and what is considered the norm.

@TheFoundations, you can't always avoid the allergy though by not being in the company of a dog for 10 minutes. For a start, it can take less than a minute to be triggered by a dog allergy and that's even without realising a dog is or has been in the room due to their dandy lingering in the air. I've had a severe 999 reaction just by walking in a living room where the pet wasn't even in the room but it's dander was. It's a really shit thing to have happen to you which is why they should make it law to have to display a "dogs welcome" sign on the website and at the door as an allergen warning, just like they would a food allergy on the menu.
It's not a matter of liking or not liking dogs, its a matter of not wanting to die you know..?

@lst

Use your common sense - You don't typically get lots and lots of guide dogs in every day. (So therefore the doggy effects of them are small)

Obviously. Think about it will you 🙄

We don't tend to ask if dogs are allowed because we assume they are not. You don't go into a pub and ask if bears are allowed, you don't go into a nightclub and ask if babies are allowed, do you?
Pubs and restaurants that allow dogs in are the exception not the norm, that's why people don't ask, NOT because everyone is happy to have dogs in there.

What ridiculous comparisons! It is both legal and very, very common for dogs to be allowed in pubs in the UK. It is unheard of and presumably illegal to take a bear into a pub. And it would be very uncommon, and probably against the admittance policy of pretty much any nightclub to allow babies in. Doggedly insisting it's uncommon for dogs to be allowed in pubs doesn't make it true, I'm afraid! And refusing to ask is pretty much shooting yourself in the foot if you want a dog-free pub!

@Rosewaterblossom

It does sound horrible and I do have sympathy for you, but the world doesn't revolve around you and your needs, or me and mine. If I want to go somewhere with my dog, and she's not allowed in, I have to not go there. I don't get all uppity because my important needs aren't being met.

If I go somewhere where someone is wearing strong perfume, I don't think they're in the wrong because they're not thinking about me and how much pain I'll be in and how much work I'll lose if I get a migraine. I leave. Because their preference triggers my illness. You, clearly, prefer to try to make people feel like they are wrong for having their preference, rather than taking responsibility for your own illness.

Doggedly grin insisting it's uncommon for dogs to be allowed in pubs doesn't make it true, I'm afraid!

I said that where I LIVE, its uncommon. And it is. It's true whether I insist it or not
And way to miss the point.

[quote BlueCupOrangeCup]@lst

Use your common sense - You don't typically get lots and lots of guide dogs in every day. (So therefore the doggy effects of them are small)

Obviously. Think about it will you 🙄[/quote]
You don't typically gets dogs in everyday on venues that allow them either.

Think about it will you 🙄

Would you say that to a disabled person? Well there's no ramp so tough, don't go there, the toilets are accessible, tough don't go there. The parking is not accessible enough to the building, tough don't go there. We can't cater because you're allergic to milk/fish/eggs/nuts, tough, go somewhere else. It's not all about YOU and your disabilities/allergies which aren't your fault but inconvenience others so tough. Get carted off to hospital because of your allergy, tough shit, it's your fault.
Imagine if the catering industry had that attitude! Tough shit, we don't need to display a warning because you should know!
Perfume that triggers migraines is an intolerance not an allergy. Learn the bloody difference! An allergy can kill you!

@claralara42

Doggedly grin insisting it's uncommon for dogs to be allowed in pubs doesn't make it true, I'm afraid!

I said that where I LIVE, its uncommon. And it is. It's true whether I insist it or not
And way to miss the point.

Again.. where abouts do you live? As I haven't travelled to anywhere in the UK and been refused entry with my dog in a pub unless it was a Whetherspoons. Which I'd rather not go to anyway!

What makes you think I'm in the UK? Not everyone is.

Ps; the reason it's now law to display the allergies in the food industry clearly is not because people are being faddy or a pain in the arse, it's because allergies CAN KILL PEOPLE through no fault of their own.

@vivainsomnia

Those of us with pro-dog mentality are against the idiots who got 'lockdown puppies' Talk about generalisations and assumptions, all this because some people just don't like dogs.

Have you considered that there are more dogs around since lockdown because most dog owners are responsible and therefore didn't get the dog they very much wanted before because they worked FT in offices but now they can work from home, they can finally be a loving responsible owner who can be with their dog rather than leaving them home alone all day.

The idiots are those who lack tolerance and judge everyone without knowing.

The lockdown puppies I was referring to are the ones people got for lockdown, and then gave up at the end of lockdown.

In your post criticising lack of tolerance and judging without knowing, you have lacked tolerance and judged without knowing. Score.

@claralara42

What makes you think I'm in the UK? Not everyone is.

Which is why I asked.

[quote Rosewaterblossom]@TheFoundations, you can't always avoid the allergy though by not being in the company of a dog for 10 minutes. For a start, it can take less than a minute to be triggered by a dog allergy and that's even without realising a dog is or has been in the room due to their dandy lingering in the air. I've had a severe 999 reaction just by walking in a living room where the pet wasn't even in the room but it's dander was. It's a really shit thing to have happen to you which is why they should make it law to have to display a "dogs welcome" sign on the website and at the door as an allergen warning, just like they would a food allergy on the menu.
It's not a matter of liking or not liking dogs, its a matter of not wanting to die you know..?[/quote]
You must understand that potentially fatal allergies to dogs are very rare though and can't be catered for over the general spending public.

@Rosewaterblossom

Would you say that to a disabled person? Well there's no ramp so tough, don't go there, the toilets are accessible, tough don't go there. The parking is not accessible enough to the building, tough don't go there. We can't cater because you're allergic to milk/fish/eggs/nuts, tough, go somewhere else. It's not all about YOU and your disabilities/allergies which aren't your fault but inconvenience others so tough. Get carted off to hospital because of your allergy, tough shit, it's your fault. Imagine if the catering industry had that attitude! Tough shit, we don't need to display a warning because you should know! Perfume that triggers migraines is an intolerance not an allergy. Learn the bloody difference! An allergy can kill you!

No I wouldn't, because, as I said upthread, you can't walk away from a disability. You can walk away from a dog or a peanut.

If it was prejudiced against people with disabilities for dogs to be allowed in restaurants, there would be a national outcry. But there isn't. There's some grumps whinging on a MN thread, some stuff on YouTube and a subreddit, apparently. Whilst the vast majority of the population, disabled or otherwise, looks at the dog at the next table in the pub, and says 'Look at that one, darling, hasn't it got nice ears.'

Genuine question - if your allergy is so severe that you can't even be in the same room as a dog, isn't that then also triggered by being in a room/close to people who own dogs, as presumably they'd have traces of the dog fur etc on them?

@Rosewaterblossom

Would you say that to a disabled person? Well there's no ramp so tough, don't go there, the toilets are accessible, tough don't go there. The parking is not accessible enough to the building, tough don't go there. We can't cater because you're allergic to milk/fish/eggs/nuts, tough, go somewhere else. It's not all about YOU and your disabilities/allergies which aren't your fault but inconvenience others so tough. Get carted off to hospital because of your allergy, tough shit, it's your fault. Imagine if the catering industry had that attitude! Tough shit, we don't need to display a warning because you should know! Perfume that triggers migraines is an intolerance not an allergy. Learn the bloody difference! An allergy can kill you!

Places all the time say they cannot guarantee a dish is nut free and will serve them within. Their settings. Outside of vegan restaurants no pubs are likely to be dairy free. People can cuisine to dine there despite having allergies. My friends ds is allergic to egg, if he eats it its a rush to a&e. At school and restaurants he has to be careful, they and a kid where possible and takes antihistamines when the egg traces in the air make him itchy. They have the option to only visit vegan places but they are still able to be catered for elsewhere with their own caution

I said that where I LIVE, its uncommon. And it is. It's true whether I insist it or not hmm. And way to miss the point.

No doubt just as uncommon as bears, and babies in night clubs. And was there a point that I missed? Your point in that post appeared to be that you don't need to ask, because it's so uncommon. Well that's fine then. Unless you happen to go in one of the uncommon ones that do alliw dogs, I guess. Or bears.

The fur isn't the allergy, the dander is, which is like dust. If there was a sign on the door saying dogs welcome, which to be fair a lot of places do, then people with allergies would know.

And no you can't just walk away from allergies. What a stupid comment 🙄

The lockdown puppies I was referring to are the ones people got for lockdown, and then gave up at the end of lockdown
Oh yes all those puppies that have supposedly been left in rescue centres, except that evidence has shown this has not been the case, to the disappointment of those who are itching to take the high stand and label people as irresponsible with a satisfied grin in their face.

Ranty the point is, the establishment has to display that information by law so the customercan make an informed choice. They don't have to display that they welcome animals, which is the issue here.

@Rosewaterblossom

I didn't say you could walk away from allergies. I said you can walk away from allergens.

Is there a reason you can't?

Your point in that post appeared to be that you don't need to ask, because it's so uncommon. Well that's fine then. Unless you happen to go in one of the uncommon ones that do alliw dogs, I guess. Or bears

No, that wasn't the point. But like I said, you missed it. Maybe try again.