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School where children must smile all the time, follow whistled commands and never glance out of the window

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/07/2021 14:25

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-slam-school-rules-always-24451911

Sounds horrific. I'd home educate a child rather than send them to a place like this. I can't help thinking one of the responses on Twitter I saw may be right - are they trying to drive out children with additional needs who might pull down the GCSE results? My daughter is an adult now but she would have been destroyed by an environment like this. She's very bright but on the autistic spectrum.


Parents have criticised strict new school rules which include "always smiling", never looking out the window and even asking permission to pick up a pen.

Natalie Teece, the newly-appointed headteacher at John Ferneley College in Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, has drafted the guidelines ahead of the school reopening in September.

The new rules were delivered to parents in an e-booklet, along with three videos explaining the research and the reason behind them.

Ms Teece said that when 11 to 16-year-olds students return to class, they will be expected to "always smile" and learn to respond to a series of whistle commands given by staff.

They also must enter the classroom in single file, "never forget to say Sir or Miss", always sit up straight and must thank their teacher as they leave the classroom after a lesson.

Walking in a group of more than two people and looking out of windows in class are also banned.

Turning around "even if you hear a noise" is forbidden and pupils have to maintain eye contact with the teacher whenever they are talking, the rules say.

Kids have to wait to be told they may pick up a pen or ruler and if a teacher says hello to them they should make sure their reply is "upbeat".

.......

One rule about lining up said staff will be using whistles to direct kids, with five sounds meaning they must move to their line up area, and one indicating pupils should be silent.

Another about "tracking" the teacher said: "You don't pick up your pen or your ruler, or anything else, until your teacher gives you the signal.

"You never turn around - even if you hear a noise behind you. You don't look out of the window. You don't lose focus."

A rule on sitting up straight said: "You never slouch. Be sitting up straight you are demonstrating physical respect. [ ...] No exceptions. No excuses."

And another said: "You always smile. You are polite and welcoming. When you greet somebody you smile, when a teacher says hello to us in the corridor you reply with an upbeat 'Hello Miss!' or 'Morning Sir!' and you smile."

The guidelines inform students that they are "extremely fortunate to be in a school that is very popular" and must walk around the school only in single file or pairs.
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Sirzy · 03/07/2021 15:16

It’s the always smile I dislike the most I think, teaching children to plaster on a fake smile and hide their real feelings is a dangerous move.

chesirecat99 · 03/07/2021 15:17

A school near me that had been in and out special measures, failing for 2 decades, serious behavioural issues, even stabbings, implemented similar draconian rules although not the ridiculous rictus grin rule. The transformation was miraculous. Behaviour and results improved, the school was rated outstanding. Within a few years, there were no behaviour problems at all and the GCSE results were excellent, they had opened a sixth form, the school was oversubscribed. Coincidentally, 2 other local schools that had previously been outstanding that everyone used to want to send their kids to, suddenly started having issues with behaviour and their GCSE results fell... Hmm

SpacePotato · 03/07/2021 15:17

It sounds like something from Village of the Damned or some other horror movie

Those kids never smiled. More like The Stepford Children.

ComDummings · 03/07/2021 15:18

The rules are nuts and the HT is the kind of person who shouldn’t be around children IMO. Bully on a power trip.

Twizbe · 03/07/2021 15:20

All this yet they still use Miss for female teachers .....

At my school we had Sir and Madam. I feel Madam is much more respectful than Miss ... especially if said teacher does not use Miss as her title.

Catlover77 · 03/07/2021 15:22

There is obviously logic behind her decisions. I see no issue with the rules

Myhousemyhome · 03/07/2021 15:23

Omg. I just had a look on Facebook. Her husband is the head at my dd’s school. It’s absolutely nothing like that there in any shape or form.

I think the kids would have seriously rebelled.

nanbread · 03/07/2021 15:24

@Catlover77

There is obviously logic behind her decisions. I see no issue with the rules
Seriously?

And this is part of the problem.

NiceGerbil · 03/07/2021 15:25

Having to smile all the time is bizarre.

Rictus smiles for most of the day will be really sore on the face muscles.. I just tried it for a minute and it hurt! They mean like that USA cooking woman who has a fixed smile type thing.. it looks so odd. It's not genuine at all. Having to mask emotion. In teens in a pandemic! Yay?!

Don't turn around even if you hear a noise? Any noise? I suppose it'll train the girls not buy react to beeps and shouts when out and about! Doubt that was the reason though!

Never look out the window.. again. Whatever happens?

This is about training out expression of any emotion except fake positivity, and being to trained to suppress normal human responses to surprise.

Weird.

YellowSunshineSky · 03/07/2021 15:25

Asking people to not look behind them is a noise is dumb - it's a very natural human behaviour to look towards the source of a noise. It's no doubt a reaction that helps keep us safe.

I don't think schools should be training children to ignore noises, it's just weird and counter to natural behaviour. Also the smiling thing. Ugh.

nanbread · 03/07/2021 15:25

@chesirecat99

A school near me that had been in and out special measures, failing for 2 decades, serious behavioural issues, even stabbings, implemented similar draconian rules although not the ridiculous rictus grin rule. The transformation was miraculous. Behaviour and results improved, the school was rated outstanding. Within a few years, there were no behaviour problems at all and the GCSE results were excellent, they had opened a sixth form, the school was oversubscribed. Coincidentally, 2 other local schools that had previously been outstanding that everyone used to want to send their kids to, suddenly started having issues with behaviour and their GCSE results fell... Hmm
Do you think they used the rules to exclude all the "naughty" kids?
Words · 03/07/2021 15:25

Sounds fantastic ! Grin

SamW98 · 03/07/2021 15:26

Whistled commands - they're humans not dogs ffs

And if these teens are anything like my 16 year old, good luck getting them to crack a smile at all, let alone all day long

JanetThePetGoldfish · 03/07/2021 15:26

The headteacher must have some deep seated issues. Power crazed and out of touch with scientific research on brain development.

Mayra1367 · 03/07/2021 15:26

Similar rules brought in to a school in my town a few years ago . The school is thriving, great results and is now oversubscribed. Previously it was by far the worst school in the area known for poor behaviour and below national results. Children walk single file around the corridors in silence between lessons , detentions for forgetting pens etc , uniform violations . After a couple of months in yr 7 children settle in and learn , leaving with not only good results but a great attitude.

Bythemillpond · 03/07/2021 15:27

chesirecat99

Is that because anyone who was ADHD, dyslexic, had a SEN and couldn’t cope with the new rules etc was forced out of the school and had to go to the other schools.

Ds was forced out of his primary along with every other SEN child to keep the school in the outstanding category.

JanetThePetGoldfish · 03/07/2021 15:27

@Bellasblankexpression

The idea of children having to smile all the time is disturbing on so many levels.
It's a sadistic abuse of power. .
nanbread · 03/07/2021 15:28

Agree with pp that even without these awful measures, the school system is broken.

Unfortunately it's so hard and will take so long to change, that those parents who recognise this will either take their children out and put them in a paid / alternative school, home school or resign themselves to the fact that they can't afford to either of those things so have it put up with it.

Derrymum123 · 03/07/2021 15:28

Always smiling- no way. How do teachers pick up on safeguarding issues if everyone has a smile? Surely many cases of neglect or abuse have been picked up, initially, because of the child's demeanour. Cannot see this ending well at all.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 03/07/2021 15:30

Apart from the constant smiling stuff, it just sounds like the sort of rules we had when I was k id.

Discipline isn't so bad.

Not picking up pens etc until told stops chidden faffing with stationery or getting distracted. Walking in single file/pairs prevents bottlenecks in corridors, or smaller/more vulnerable pupils being knocked over or hustled.

Whistles carry further across a noisy break time schoolyard than voices.

I don't see a problem (except for the manic grinning)

nanbread · 03/07/2021 15:30

@Bythemillpond

chesirecat99

Is that because anyone who was ADHD, dyslexic, had a SEN and couldn’t cope with the new rules etc was forced out of the school and had to go to the other schools.

Ds was forced out of his primary along with every other SEN child to keep the school in the outstanding category.

This happens at a school near me. The head tells parents who ask about SEN provision not to send their DC. And if it transpires that a child does have SEN later down the line they deny support and minimise it so they don't have to deal with paperwork etc. This is a 4 form entry outstanding primary school in a fairly naice bit of a city.
Maggiesfarm · 03/07/2021 15:30

It's absolutely dreadful. I would not send a child to a place like that and if I had without knowing, I'd take them away. I can hardly believe such 'institutions' exist in this day and age. It puts me in mind of old pictures of children in care homes, always smiling, looking perfectly content. So fake.

FindingMeno · 03/07/2021 15:30

I hope if anyone pulled that sort of shit with children they'd be expelled, or I would wonder where I'd gone so wrong.

FindingMeno · 03/07/2021 15:31

Sorry- with my children.

nanbread · 03/07/2021 15:31

Always looking to the front sounds like something you'd get in the army.

It's human nature to look round at noises etc. Talk about killing all curiosity.

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