To worry the new health minister Sajid Javid will privatise the NHS…

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But not before running it into the ground?

He’s reassigning from his position at US bank JP Morgan where he earns £150k as an advisor.

JP Morgan say they "see the opportunities that lie ahead" for private healthcare.

He’s already making promises that we will never return to Coronavirus rules. Shouldn’t that be decided by any future epidemiology and health service data? Not just an empty promise based on finance only.

Not looking good, is it?

I think he’s fab! Finally someone who is going to push back and get us out of these ridiculous restrictions.

It's a big leap from 'JP Morgan say they "see the opportunities that lie ahead" for private healthcare' to assume they are going to privatise the NHS.

There's already a huge private healthcare system and BUPA et al show there is serious money to be made especially in the field of workplace healthcare insurance.

Do I trust Javid? No way, he looks even more shifty than Hancock did, but he'll have a hard time selling the selling off of the NHS to the public in the next few years.

*finish provatising the NHS.

I think the NHS needs to be privatised to a degree, if we want to keep the same facilities, services etc. Watered down privatisation.

Well it certainly needs a radical overhaul. It can’t limp along in its current format.

Just another spineless hypocrite.
He resigned as Chancellor because he couldn't work within the confines of a Johnson government......
But here he is again!

Right now I'd settle for any NHS service from my GP surgery.

And yes, I imagine Labour and backbench Tories are going to have to step up here quite soon.

A lot of the problems with the system we faced in the last 15 months are because of the chaos and disorganisation brought about by Andrew Lansley’s ‘reforms’.

When we have a major crisis like Coronavirus we need a strong publicly funded fully joined up system. Not a fragmented one with privatisation and no one accountable or responsible.

There is already evidence mounting that fragmentation and privatisation contributed to increased COVID related deaths.

www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2021-000628_EN.html

YANBU. Anything goes with these fuckers.

As long as it's free at the point of need, paid for out of our taxes, I don't see what's wrong with privatising the NHS. Much of it is already outsourced to private companies already.
Businesses with shareholders are usually much more efficiently run. There is huge wastage in our NHS - I see it everyday.

@MrsFin

As long as it's free at the point of need, paid for out of our taxes, I don't see what's wrong with privatising the NHS. Much of it is already outsourced to private companies already. Businesses with shareholders are usually much more efficiently run. There is huge wastage in our NHS - I see it everyday.

The problem is businesses are not about caring for the vulnerable

My experience of that @MrsFin was that I was offered care from a private company (through the NHS, not by choice). Waited on their list, eventually got to see them and was shunted off their list as I wasn't 100% straightforward. Nothing complicated, just a prexisting condition that meant there was a very small chance of needing additional aftercare to their standard package. In other words, potentially not profitable.

This is how they do it 'more efficiently'. Cream off all the super easy cases and enjoy the profits. Anything even slightly complex goes back to the NHS.

What's worse is I then had to be referred into the NHS and back on a waiting list so I still haven't had it done.

@MoMuntervary

My experience of that *@MrsFin* was that I was offered care from a private company (through the NHS, not by choice). Waited on their list, eventually got to see them and was shunted off their list as I wasn't 100% straightforward. Nothing complicated, just a prexisting condition that meant there was a very small chance of needing additional aftercare to their standard package. In other words, potentially not profitable.

This is how they do it 'more efficiently'. Cream off all the super easy cases and enjoy the profits. Anything even slightly complex goes back to the NHS.

What's worse is I then had to be referred into the NHS and back on a waiting list so I still haven't had it done.

With a bit of ironing out, this could be a great system though. Simple cases go to a private company and therefore frees up waiting list time for the NHS. I admit the waiting list factor would need to be worked out.

Mr Javid will increase private involvement, that would not surprise me. Just as in other spheres of government, the kind of work done by Capita and Serco.

I mean, my GP surgery's services are free at the point of need, use and delivery - but no-one can get a service.

I'm not willing to be conned though into thinking that privatisation is the answer. Privatising a heap of run-down crap doesn't improve the outcomes for patients or the costs for taxpayers. That's a fallacy.

I want the state to invest. Our state. Not foreign interests.

JP Morgan see plenty of opportunity in the future of private healthcare… as a US bank where healthcare is a business!

I believe their efforts to get into the private healthcare industry are based in the USA!

At the risk of repeating myself over and over, every other country in the world has a blended health system, partly funded by private and state funds. Why do so many insist that we have to stick to a system that is no longer fit for purpose in a modern world, with high demand and expensive new treatments. Blended is the only way to go.

And the NHS will always be free at the point of delivery, regardless of who delivers it. Every forward plan makes that entirely clear.

The NHS needs to concentrate of what it does well, acute care and complex needs. You only need to watch "Hospital" to see how well the NHS is doing in complex surgery. Standard day to day, run of the mill, diagnostics, MRI's, hips and knees etc, can easily be done by the private sector, in and out in an hour or a day. Many of the companies who already run these services are actually non-profit charities or trusts.

@BigWoollyJumpers

At the risk of repeating myself over and over, every other country in the world has a blended health system, partly funded by private and state funds. Why do so many insist that we have to stick to a system that is no longer fit for purpose in a modern world, with high demand and expensive new treatments. Blended is the only way to go.

And the NHS will always be free at the point of delivery, regardless of who delivers it. Every forward plan makes that entirely clear.

The NHS needs to concentrate of what it does well, acute care and complex needs. You only need to watch "Hospital" to see how well the NHS is doing in complex surgery. Standard day to day, run of the mill, diagnostics, MRI's, hips and knees etc, can easily be done by the private sector, in and out in an hour or a day. Many of the companies who already run these services are actually non-profit charities or trusts.

100% agree

So the NHS would become specialists in complex cases

NHS will become the like of Irish HSE or even US state owned healthcare. Private insurance will be needed to get treatment fast, in high-tech hospitals and decent environment. Lots of things covered for free will have to be paid for.

I agree with part privatisation of the NHS. It's funny how it seems to work perfectly well in most other countries but the merest whiff of it here meets with such resistance. Our health service could not get any worse so I am all in favour of a different model.

As for Sajid Javid, I like him and hopefully he'll bring us out of these never ending lockdowns.

All good as far as I'm concerned

Could you give me example of what is meant by part privatisation

I certainly would be horrified at a system like America

In my experience, the involvement of private companies has seriously affected mental health provision locally. No one provider takes full responsibility for the patient, just offers brief care. The NHS provider gets referred the complex cases (which are not profitable) by the assessment service (private company) because they know they will take responsibility. If they are full, patients get passed from pillar to post with inappropriate interventions which cost hundreds if not thousands overall, with very little benefit to the poor patient.
I thought the competition would be good, and that it would help the NHS. It hasn't. I left- I couldn't be complicit in it anymore. I wasn't replaced, so less NHS practitioners available, more patients going to (inappropriate) private companies, who just find a way to make money.
The staff they employ care, but aren't given the tools to do the job effectively.

@MoMuntervary

My experience of that *@MrsFin* was that I was offered care from a private company (through the NHS, not by choice). Waited on their list, eventually got to see them and was shunted off their list as I wasn't 100% straightforward. Nothing complicated, just a prexisting condition that meant there was a very small chance of needing additional aftercare to their standard package. In other words, potentially not profitable.

This is how they do it 'more efficiently'. Cream off all the super easy cases and enjoy the profits. Anything even slightly complex goes back to the NHS.

What's worse is I then had to be referred into the NHS and back on a waiting list so I still haven't had it done.

Really sorry to hear this, but it doesn't surprise me at all. Hope you get the treatment you need soon.

@EeeByeGummieBear

In my experience, the involvement of private companies has seriously affected mental health provision locally. No one provider takes full responsibility for the patient, just offers brief care. The NHS provider gets referred the complex cases (which are not profitable) by the assessment service (private company) because they know they will take responsibility. If they are full, patients get passed from pillar to post with inappropriate interventions which cost hundreds if not thousands overall, with very little benefit to the poor patient. I thought the competition would be good, and that it would help the NHS. It hasn't. I left- I couldn't be complicit in it anymore. I wasn't replaced, so less NHS practitioners available, more patients going to (inappropriate) private companies, who just find a way to make money. The staff they employ care, but aren't given the tools to do the job effectively.

Mental health provision is a shit show regardless. Its appalling tbh. I think the MH care system needs an entire overhaul. It cant be equated to the physical health system because its in such a worse off position