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Are we all living in captivity?

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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 09:52

I've been depressed and suicidal. Feel trapped maybe 80% of the time. Really shit. I live in a flat with my partner and children. A small balcony is the only outside space I have however it is so high up and my children are so young that the door has to he locked, the windows always closed except when we are out to air out the house.
In March, during the first lockdown last year me and DP just said 'fuck it' and we decided to apply for an allotment.

My life has changed almost completely. We go every single day without fail. We love it there. The whole family.

My sister works with animals and is doing a uni course and she just text me the other day with a theory that blew my mind.
She said that when animals are held in captivity they obviously get depressed and start doing unnatural behaviours that aren't seen in the wild such as pacing, biting themselves etc.
But people can do things to help them feel like they are fulfilling their natural behaviour 'quota' such as giving rabbits a sandbox so they can dig, or scattering food or hiding it in boxes they have to shred to help them feel like they are foraging trather than just getting food from a bowl.
You know, taking dogs for walks and runs, stuff like that.
And she said that she was thinking about it and us having more time outside, growing and harvesting food, etc is our natural behaviour (foraging I guess) and us having an allotment is sort of like enrichment for humans. The difference in myself is unbelievable. I was sectioned 2 years ago and I feel like my old self now. Or my new self.

We also go blackberry and apple picking together and we would walk along a river to walk to our grandparents on Saturdays together (sister and me and my children) and it would take us hours in blackberry season because we literally just couldn't stop ourselves from getting more (we didn't take everything but there were bushes for about 30 mins of our walk so we would pick and pick and pick without really making a dent.)
We spoke about it afterwards and said it felt like being a child playing on the 2p machines and winning a toy. It really scratched an itch.

My nan and grandad and great aunt and uncle tell us loads of stories about when they were kids going out in the morning and not coming home until dark. Or travelling literally miles with their friends every day just to play. When I was a child I was allowed to play around the block and down to the park with my friends, knocking on and such. Similar thing going out and not coming home until the streetlights were on.
We did live in a house in a nicer area than I am in now, still a shitty council estate but where I am now is the lowest of the low. I cried when I moved in bad. But its cheap so we can save to get away which we couldn't do in a nicer area.
But my eldest is 8 and hasn't played out alone yet. He isn't as mature as I was as a child and very much a risk taker so, you know I'm taking all this in to account. But i had been out on my own or in charge of my younger siblings for years at this point.
He would run for miles and live in a tree if I let him but he really doesn't do well indoors. Its like a husky living in a shed, he just has too much energy to be inside. He has literally broke my wardrobe and bedroom door by climbing up like a monkey.

Anyway I don't really have an Aibu, I suppose.
I was just hoping other people feel like me? like I don't belong in the inside world. Like we belong somewhere else?
We travel, go on holiday
take day trips to nature reserves
every house has a garden for their own outside space so clearly being outside is a priority for most people

but we are in an indoor world.
I don't know what I'm asking but does anyone get me?

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ShinySquirrel · 28/06/2021 09:56

I completely understand. It's so important for my mental health to be outside. It's where I belong.

I live in a terraced house with a shitty, unusable yard. We're slowly sorting out the yard, albeit on our own with no help from the landlord even though it is his responsibility.

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 09:58

Its horrible isn't it? I look at photos of cabins in the middle of woodlands and I just think 'how can I get there?'
I spend so much if my time watching TV about wildlife and bear grills (?) is so popular, I'm a celebrity
its like we all want to be out there but we are so tired from society and jobs and stuffed forget how to do it

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ComtesseDeSpair · 28/06/2021 09:59

I don’t think it’s terribly unusual. Some people like living in the countryside; some people can’t think of anything worse and adore being in the city. I’m definitely the latter; but it sounds like you’re the former and presumably saving so that you can eventually move somewhere less urban. That villages still exist and people choose to move to the country is testaments that the way you feel isn’t uncommon. And the same for cities.

Burnt0utMum · 28/06/2021 10:00

Kind of. I like getting out into the countryside in the summer and we usually drive out somewhere most weekends. But in the winter I'm more than happy staying indoors most of the time and don't get depressed by it all as I love being warm and cosy.

Ted27 · 28/06/2021 10:03

Yes I do get you.

I have a house and a small garden. And an office job by necessity.
I feel very constrained by it all. I would much rather just be outside.

But I also have an allotment where I spend most of my free time. It really is my happy place. I have visiting robins who follow me around, the frogs, an elusive badger.

It really kept me sane in lockdown. My 17 year old loves it there as well. He went through a phase in his early teens when he didnt come with me but has rediscovered it this year.
And you can’t beat freshly picked strawberries and raspberries

vampirethriller · 28/06/2021 10:04

I know what you mean- I live in a tiny one bed inner city council flat with my daughter and last year we got an allotment just before lockdown. It was the best thing I've ever done. We go every day and just play, she's planted seeds and picked what she's grown, it's lovely. Costs hardly anything.
I wouldn't want to not live in a city but having the allotment has been brilliant.

Peace43 · 28/06/2021 10:08

Yes. I moved to an old cottage in a rural village. I have a garden. I work from home but walk my dog in the fields and woods twice a day. I spend my weekends mostly outside, beach, woods, lake. We spend holidays camping. I need the outside space as much as the dog does!

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 28/06/2021 10:09

I had an absolute craving to just walk indefinitely. I went wild camping (the actual gram-counting kind, not the camper van kind) and it really lifted my spirits. I dont have an allotment (no council run ones in my region) but I spend time in my greenhouse every day. Last night I was sitting in it as the sun set and listening to the birds. It helped me settle down for the night.

When my dc were younger I used to go into the local woods with them most days after school.

I think you miss out on things if you don't spend time in nature.

Notimeforaname · 28/06/2021 10:10

Couldn't agree more..I was never a gardener..until I was! Grin

It started with a small balcony op that I grew tomatoes and strawberries on. Now I have a small garden full of container veg!
Sweet corn,peas,runner beans,green beans ,spinach,kale,potatoes carrots..loads more.
I lost my job at the beginning of the pandemic and its kept me going.

When my friend was going through chemo..on the days she had any energy she loved to wander around her garden. On the days she had none..she would still sit looking out the window at the birds and plants..for hours.

I'm never bored or lonely as theres always a weed to pull or somthing to do.Smile so happy this has helped you op. I've converted 2 non gardeners..into proud garden owners this year. Smile It is definitely food for the soul Wink

JellyTumble · 28/06/2021 10:11

Nope. I hate nature and the outside world. It’s full of bugs/wasps/animals and it’s muddy/dirty/ugly.

I like my lovely pristine garden and that’s about it.

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:12

@vampirethriller I know! I thought it was going to cost so much money but its literally pennies. I also didn't know you could have children on there either.
lockdown has been such a good push to get to where I want to be. Lots of other people too.
At our (very large) site they said they let out every spare plot and now have a waiting list, which they haven't had ever before. Despite lots of families in flats literally a stones throw away.
Lots of people didn't even know it was there.

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Titslikepicassos · 28/06/2021 10:15

I get you - I live in a city, on a 4 year waiting list for an allotment. We've transformed our terrace garden over lockdown and have raised veg patches and wildflower sections. It has restored my mental health which took a bashing in the last lockdown.

I dream of a cabin in the woods, despite living a 5 minute walk away from the sea.

Livingintheclouds · 28/06/2021 10:17

I'm happy with a small town garden. Countryside is nice for a visit, but I need the city, even just the noise and hustle and bustle around me - I don't actually have to particpate. And I'm quite content at home, after spending most of my life travelling, I really don't want the hassle any more.
I've just given up a sizable garden, and while I liked the space and Outlook, I realised the only time I actually used it was to go out to feed the rabbits and occasional cup of tea (but it's either too cold, or too hot, then the sun gets in my eyes...)
I do have dogs and obviously walk them several times a day, but I'd be happy not to have to!

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:18

@SuperLoudPoppingAction

I had an absolute craving to just walk indefinitely. I went wild camping (the actual gram-counting kind, not the camper van kind) and it really lifted my spirits. I dont have an allotment (no council run ones in my region) but I spend time in my greenhouse every day. Last night I was sitting in it as the sun set and listening to the birds. It helped me settle down for the night.

When my dc were younger I used to go into the local woods with them most days after school.

I think you miss out on things if you don't spend time in nature.

Yes I have that feeling. I read a lot of dystopia and my dp plays fallout and red dead, still a skyrim fan years later. I feel like we need to walk and walk and stay somewhere like an Inn in a game. and just keep going. if I didn't have so many small children I would be gone.

and I definitely agree on missing out on things. I am not scared of spiders now, and I can pick up a slug with my bare hands. I would never ever have done that before now.

We used to go to a farm with a caravan as children and we just played in the river, found all the nooks and crannies. loads of kids there out getting muddy and wet every day. we loved it. I remember every section of that river. Better than I knew the roads.
I'll never feel as free as I did then.

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Fairyliz · 28/06/2021 10:18

That’s lovely op I’m so glad you found your allotment.
I think it’s been clinical proven that being outside especially under trees is very good for your mental health. It’s something to do with the trees releasing some chemicals (not sure what).
I’ve really got into gardening the last few years and I feel a real achievement when I grow plants from seeds or cuttings. I also can’t believe how easy it is, all those years I spent buying expensive plants from the garden centre!

singsingbluesilver · 28/06/2021 10:23

I love my garden - but find working to keep it nice a bit of a chore. However I would go mad if I could not get out into the fresh air and walk. I love to walk by the sea, or even a river. I love the sound of the water and my dream would be to live close enough to be able to hear it as I go to sleep at night.

Nature does wonders for my mental health. I don't wear earphones - I love the sounds of the birds and just the feel of the breeze through my fingers.

Being able to walk through woods and by the sea throughout lockdown saved my mental health.

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:23

@Notimeforaname
it is food for the soul! and good for your friends having a friend like you Grin I wish someone had converted me sooner.
You think its hard work but its so fun and easy to pick up and it isn't really work at all. Just life nourishment.
I can't believe how amazing it feels to be able to say 'oh thats a brassica...' or 'no thats a courgette plant not a pumpkin, must have labelled it wrong'
and being able to know the names of different birds and insects and butterflies. I never saw a dragonfly before I sat down at the canal and looked for one. then suddenly I saw a whole beautiful world I had never even known existed despite walking by every day for 20 odd years.

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Comedycook · 28/06/2021 10:24

Couldn't agree with you more

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:27

@Fairyliz

That’s lovely op I’m so glad you found your allotment. I think it’s been clinical proven that being outside especially under trees is very good for your mental health. It’s something to do with the trees releasing some chemicals (not sure what). I’ve really got into gardening the last few years and I feel a real achievement when I grow plants from seeds or cuttings. I also can’t believe how easy it is, all those years I spent buying expensive plants from the garden centre!
@fairyliz Yes! its like such a well kept secret! We didn't have to buy a single cucumber last year, or a potato. And we only gre potatoes from cutting the eyes and planting them from our shop brought ones. we didn't even weed the bed, had hundreds.

I think its so easy I just want to cry about waiting so long to start. At least my children can start young

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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:28

@Fairyliz actually your user name is perfect because my mom always said that looking after and helping plants grow was the work of the fairies 🌱🌵🪴🌻🌹🌷🌹🌵🪴🌻🌱🌷 so I guess we are honorary fairies now

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BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 28/06/2021 10:29

I completely agree with you. I long to be away from people and outdoors . I don’t like built up areas or lots of people. Nature is what sustains and feeds me. We are not meant to be living in concrete boxes as we are. Unfortunately I am not great at growing things! Enjoy your allotment!

beigebrownblue · 28/06/2021 10:31

I had two allotments for seven years, both of which I converted from derelict.

They helped me recovering from birth trauma and were also fun when my daughter was small.

However when the schools closed down back in March I home schooled for ten months and had to give it up as a single parent I just couldn' tmanage it all.

I noticed also that the profile of the site had changed. Lots of much better off people were paying people to do work on their plots and the builders boys network took over.

So I let it go.

Actually I don't regreat it now. Less work and when one door closes...I think it is great when the kids are small as they remember all that.

If I had had a partner to go with, the work load would have been different.

Where we live we don't have a garden, however the beach is not far away. When I can I prefer to go there, no work to do!

missymousey · 28/06/2021 10:34

I get you! I'm so glad you have found your allotment and that whole side of yourself. There are so many lovely happy interesting people out there living wilder freer lives. We found some when we realised that workaway was our ideal kind of holiday - google it. We learned skills, learned to be outdoors, learned about other cultures, learned to be happy really.

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:38

@beigebrownblue
oh no thats so upsetting.
I don't know how upsetting that must be. could you not take back on half a plot or something?

Then again the one thing I would change about my allotment site is how many people there are, I hate talking to people and get so embarrassed and quiet and mumble. every just saying hello when passing. I hate it ! so if there were loads of workmen about who garden as their profession so obviously 'you're doing it wrong, love' maybe I wouldn't go either.

I had a minor altercation when we first got our plot. someone told me and my kids off for going on mikes plot, but Mike had left and it was my plot now. I didn't go for about a month and then only went really early or late to avoid the person. Luckily they hardly come anymore

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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 10:39

@missymousey thats what it is, learning to be happy!
I'm so happy people are doing it.
there are so many YouTube channels where people watch people living the dream. Why not live our own dreams

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