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Are we all living in captivity?

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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 09:52

I've been depressed and suicidal. Feel trapped maybe 80% of the time. Really shit. I live in a flat with my partner and children. A small balcony is the only outside space I have however it is so high up and my children are so young that the door has to he locked, the windows always closed except when we are out to air out the house.
In March, during the first lockdown last year me and DP just said 'fuck it' and we decided to apply for an allotment.

My life has changed almost completely. We go every single day without fail. We love it there. The whole family.

My sister works with animals and is doing a uni course and she just text me the other day with a theory that blew my mind.
She said that when animals are held in captivity they obviously get depressed and start doing unnatural behaviours that aren't seen in the wild such as pacing, biting themselves etc.
But people can do things to help them feel like they are fulfilling their natural behaviour 'quota' such as giving rabbits a sandbox so they can dig, or scattering food or hiding it in boxes they have to shred to help them feel like they are foraging trather than just getting food from a bowl.
You know, taking dogs for walks and runs, stuff like that.
And she said that she was thinking about it and us having more time outside, growing and harvesting food, etc is our natural behaviour (foraging I guess) and us having an allotment is sort of like enrichment for humans. The difference in myself is unbelievable. I was sectioned 2 years ago and I feel like my old self now. Or my new self.

We also go blackberry and apple picking together and we would walk along a river to walk to our grandparents on Saturdays together (sister and me and my children) and it would take us hours in blackberry season because we literally just couldn't stop ourselves from getting more (we didn't take everything but there were bushes for about 30 mins of our walk so we would pick and pick and pick without really making a dent.)
We spoke about it afterwards and said it felt like being a child playing on the 2p machines and winning a toy. It really scratched an itch.

My nan and grandad and great aunt and uncle tell us loads of stories about when they were kids going out in the morning and not coming home until dark. Or travelling literally miles with their friends every day just to play. When I was a child I was allowed to play around the block and down to the park with my friends, knocking on and such. Similar thing going out and not coming home until the streetlights were on.
We did live in a house in a nicer area than I am in now, still a shitty council estate but where I am now is the lowest of the low. I cried when I moved in bad. But its cheap so we can save to get away which we couldn't do in a nicer area.
But my eldest is 8 and hasn't played out alone yet. He isn't as mature as I was as a child and very much a risk taker so, you know I'm taking all this in to account. But i had been out on my own or in charge of my younger siblings for years at this point.
He would run for miles and live in a tree if I let him but he really doesn't do well indoors. Its like a husky living in a shed, he just has too much energy to be inside. He has literally broke my wardrobe and bedroom door by climbing up like a monkey.

Anyway I don't really have an Aibu, I suppose.
I was just hoping other people feel like me? like I don't belong in the inside world. Like we belong somewhere else?
We travel, go on holiday
take day trips to nature reserves
every house has a garden for their own outside space so clearly being outside is a priority for most people

but we are in an indoor world.
I don't know what I'm asking but does anyone get me?

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Sometimesonly · 28/06/2021 18:48

I understand. I'm in a flat and in lockdown we weren't even allowed out for exercise. I felt desperate. I would love an allotment but I have been on the waiting list for 10 years and have zero possibility of getting one this century...

EveningOverRooftops · 28/06/2021 18:48

There’s some fabulous philosophical books about working with your hands and how it’s soul nourishing.

Old skills were losing really keep us grounded.

I’m planning an afternoon in the woods to teach myself how to weave with pine needles. there’s a cluster of trees nearby so I’m going to get a basket full of pine needles (the 2inch long kind) and begin.

I find knitting really satisfy. Well doing anything with my hands really satisfying.

Taliskerskye · 28/06/2021 18:53

@Sometimesonly
Can you go father afield.
Genuinely worth it.
The other thing I’ve come across is older folk with big gardens renting bits of their garden to others in exchange for produce

Oysterbabe · 28/06/2021 18:57

I have an allotment and spending time working there calms my mind in a way I can't really explain.

MadMadMadamMim · 28/06/2021 19:01

This is exactly the reason I live very rurally.

I could not bear to be shut up in a city.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 19:50

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Thank you

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 19:50

@EveningOverRooftops

There’s some fabulous philosophical books about working with your hands and how it’s soul nourishing.

Old skills were losing really keep us grounded.

I’m planning an afternoon in the woods to teach myself how to weave with pine needles. there’s a cluster of trees nearby so I’m going to get a basket full of pine needles (the 2inch long kind) and begin.

I find knitting really satisfy. Well doing anything with my hands really satisfying.

My dh is in a physical job and now he has been promoted to site safety officer he doesn't need to get his hands dirty or dig or lift or do anything physical, just paperwork, calls, talking to other officials etc but he said he would go mad watching others fix up or mend things while he is is sat there or walking around. the only reason he accepted was the money. He was happy being just Labourer. I love to knit. any kind of making craft.

The comparing back pain to dorsal fin flipping Is so interesting. I love that actually
in children when they squat with their feet firmly planted rather than tip toeing to do it, try it you'll get what I mean, I just wonder how we lost it. probably chairs.

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BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 28/06/2021 19:53

@Youarenothere

OP you’ve really touched a nerve here. I’ve always wanted to live in a hotter country than the uk, thought it was because I liked sunshine but actually now thinking about it, it’s beca I like being outside, which is easier and more enjoyable in the sun than the rain.
Ah! I now realise this is what I like too about being in a hotter country
Boood · 28/06/2021 20:07

It’s very weather-dependent for me, but yes, I hate being stuck indoors when it’s nice oit.

Crackbadger · 28/06/2021 20:09

I seem to remember Freud's 'Civilisation and its Discontents" being about this issue

ladygindiva · 28/06/2021 20:38

I get what you mean totally. Thanks for posting, it's really given me food for thought. You have a good way with words, and express your ideas really well BTW.

EveningOverRooftops · 28/06/2021 20:57

@BirdsandBeesmakinghay

Seriously invest in good quality coats, walking boots and trousers as well as a good thermos and some travel towels.

The rain can be grim but with the right gear you can still enjoy the outdoors when it’s wet.

Good outdoor wet weather clothes are as life changing as getting that perfect sun hat.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 21:00

"The rain can be grim but with the right gear you can still enjoy the outdoors when it’s wet.

Good outdoor wet weather clothes are as life changing as getting that perfect sun hat."

I find that all crap tbh. There's definitely weather where I don't want to be outside except for maybe a cuppa under shelter.

The main thing with land is access to space. It's the dream! Imagine a couple of acres that other people aren't allowed on without invitation.

Hawkmoth · 28/06/2021 21:02

Totally agree OP. We moved from no garden in suburbs to rural village with huge garden in Nov 2019 (cheaper house, no bragging) and I don't think I would have survived lockdown otherwise.

Your sister's insights are very apt.

EveningOverRooftops · 28/06/2021 21:05

Yes, back pain can be a symptom of that but also depression*, anxiety and stress all could be symptoms of being ‘caged’. it’s surprising the number of people who report improved symptoms just by getting out and being a bit more free doing gardening, walking etc. It can’t be as simple as just exercise. There must be something more to it.

I am wondering now if this is why women typically are diagnosed with depression more than men. It can’t just be men not going to the GP. Men typically don’t get bogged down with chores that keep you stuck in the home the same way women do and they tend to be able to do outdoor hobbies much more often than mothers or women doing the majority of domestic work.

I call for a revolution to get women outside and ditching the 50% of the domestic work. Wink

*disclaimer because internet - some depression does require long term medication and therapy and I’m not talking about this kind.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 21:17

@Hawkmoth

Totally agree OP. We moved from no garden in suburbs to rural village with huge garden in Nov 2019 (cheaper house, no bragging) and I don't think I would have survived lockdown otherwise.

Your sister's insights are very apt.

Weird question

Are there many single women among your rural neighbours?

I really like the idea but is the practicality scary....and dealing with burglar alarms and shit...

BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 28/06/2021 23:29

I wonder sometimes if there is something wrong with me. I get really claustrophobic and panicky if it’s a nice outside and I’m indoors. I feel an actual compulsion to be outside. I also feel much better in nature , preferably away from other people and in an unspoilt environment. I think living in a built up area actually makes me ill.

Taliskerskye · 28/06/2021 23:32

@BirdsandBeesmakinghay
I think that’s perfectly normal. I love living in London. But 100% I need green.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 23:35

@BirdsandBeesmakinghay

I wonder sometimes if there is something wrong with me. I get really claustrophobic and panicky if it’s a nice outside and I’m indoors. I feel an actual compulsion to be outside. I also feel much better in nature , preferably away from other people and in an unspoilt environment. I think living in a built up area actually makes me ill.
I think it makes a lot of us ill.

Many of us live where we do because of work. Some of us might be able to solve that problem.

For me, it's less the built up issue and more the overpopulation although of course one goes with the other.

imscaredpleasehelp · 29/06/2021 22:55

[quote EveningOverRooftops]@BirdsandBeesmakinghay

Seriously invest in good quality coats, walking boots and trousers as well as a good thermos and some travel towels.

The rain can be grim but with the right gear you can still enjoy the outdoors when it’s wet.

Good outdoor wet weather clothes are as life changing as getting that perfect sun hat.[/quote]
I've just read rewild yourself and this was one of the tips. I had never thought about it before, although I do have a good rain jacket that keeps my top dry. But my boots do have a hole in them :-S

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