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Are we all living in captivity?

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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 09:52

I've been depressed and suicidal. Feel trapped maybe 80% of the time. Really shit. I live in a flat with my partner and children. A small balcony is the only outside space I have however it is so high up and my children are so young that the door has to he locked, the windows always closed except when we are out to air out the house.
In March, during the first lockdown last year me and DP just said 'fuck it' and we decided to apply for an allotment.

My life has changed almost completely. We go every single day without fail. We love it there. The whole family.

My sister works with animals and is doing a uni course and she just text me the other day with a theory that blew my mind.
She said that when animals are held in captivity they obviously get depressed and start doing unnatural behaviours that aren't seen in the wild such as pacing, biting themselves etc.
But people can do things to help them feel like they are fulfilling their natural behaviour 'quota' such as giving rabbits a sandbox so they can dig, or scattering food or hiding it in boxes they have to shred to help them feel like they are foraging trather than just getting food from a bowl.
You know, taking dogs for walks and runs, stuff like that.
And she said that she was thinking about it and us having more time outside, growing and harvesting food, etc is our natural behaviour (foraging I guess) and us having an allotment is sort of like enrichment for humans. The difference in myself is unbelievable. I was sectioned 2 years ago and I feel like my old self now. Or my new self.

We also go blackberry and apple picking together and we would walk along a river to walk to our grandparents on Saturdays together (sister and me and my children) and it would take us hours in blackberry season because we literally just couldn't stop ourselves from getting more (we didn't take everything but there were bushes for about 30 mins of our walk so we would pick and pick and pick without really making a dent.)
We spoke about it afterwards and said it felt like being a child playing on the 2p machines and winning a toy. It really scratched an itch.

My nan and grandad and great aunt and uncle tell us loads of stories about when they were kids going out in the morning and not coming home until dark. Or travelling literally miles with their friends every day just to play. When I was a child I was allowed to play around the block and down to the park with my friends, knocking on and such. Similar thing going out and not coming home until the streetlights were on.
We did live in a house in a nicer area than I am in now, still a shitty council estate but where I am now is the lowest of the low. I cried when I moved in bad. But its cheap so we can save to get away which we couldn't do in a nicer area.
But my eldest is 8 and hasn't played out alone yet. He isn't as mature as I was as a child and very much a risk taker so, you know I'm taking all this in to account. But i had been out on my own or in charge of my younger siblings for years at this point.
He would run for miles and live in a tree if I let him but he really doesn't do well indoors. Its like a husky living in a shed, he just has too much energy to be inside. He has literally broke my wardrobe and bedroom door by climbing up like a monkey.

Anyway I don't really have an Aibu, I suppose.
I was just hoping other people feel like me? like I don't belong in the inside world. Like we belong somewhere else?
We travel, go on holiday
take day trips to nature reserves
every house has a garden for their own outside space so clearly being outside is a priority for most people

but we are in an indoor world.
I don't know what I'm asking but does anyone get me?

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Tangledtresses · 28/06/2021 10:42

I bought a campervan back in 2017, best thing I ever did! The kids love being outside in all weathers! And we can cook, sleep, chill out, beaches, woods and just be ourselves.

Taliskerskye · 28/06/2021 10:50

Having an allotment saved my life in lockdown. Gave me a purpose. And I lived alone so I had some company!
My mental health has taken a bashing over the last few years and it’s the only place I feel free, I do not think of anything other than what I’m doing. And the nature is amazing.

If you haven’t yet built a pond, do it now. Even a small one.

Youarenothere · 28/06/2021 10:52

OP you’ve really touched a nerve here. I’ve always wanted to live in a hotter country than the uk, thought it was because I liked sunshine but actually now thinking about it, it’s beca I like being outside, which is easier and more enjoyable in the sun than the rain.

beigebrownblue · 28/06/2021 10:57

imscaredpleasehelp

Thanks for that, actually at the time it was upsetting. There were things when Covid was really scary and people were breaking the rules (new people mostly) in terms of having barbecues down there when you weren't supposed to etc.

I was very consientious and a keen gardener (was a mentor for Garden Organic at one point) it was just the circumstances I guess. Not having much money and not having divorce settlement yet to bridge the time if I had I could have paid someone to help.
Also sad as orginally I shared it with a friend which was doable but then she backed out.

There is lots to say about this. But generally I'm a lot older than you I would say and gradually accepting that I can do a certain amount of physical work but need to watch my back quite literally as I've lifted things in the past and pulled something so i'm a lot more careful now.

The one thing I would say is join the National Association for Allotments and Leisure Gardeners. You get a lovely magazine and they are doing great work in proteciting allotment sites.

As far as the blokes going past are concerned...actually it was not just the plants that grew, it was me too, and I was mostly quite confident and empowered doing things on my own there...

it was really when covid struck and people started doing stupid things like leaving the gate open that gradually told me it wasn't for me. And really I was bullied off the site which happens. It was very diffrent to the other site I had been on in the North West.

It was a very good experience as I said when child was younger. Now I have dreams about a camper van...

imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 11:10

@Taliskerskye

Having an allotment saved my life in lockdown. Gave me a purpose. And I lived alone so I had some company! My mental health has taken a bashing over the last few years and it’s the only place I feel free, I do not think of anything other than what I’m doing. And the nature is amazing.

If you haven’t yet built a pond, do it now. Even a small one.

its on the list but we are literally overrun with other jobs. its possibly going to be a job for this winter. So it is as amazing as I expected... Grin
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imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 11:14

@Youarenothere Yes. my dad always talks about moving to France and I just wish he would do it. I suppose the only thing that stops people is the worry or what if? feelings.
Definitely about going outside

my dad has an absolutely massive mack and front garden but its just grass. I'd be put there all the time planting bleeding any and everything

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GnomeDePlume · 28/06/2021 11:15

I get you. Our allotment is definitely balm to our souls. We get there thinking we will just be there for an hour then three hours later we think maybe we should go home. DH swears there is a blackhole on the allotment as time just disappears there. We come away grinning like idiots.

We are fortunate to have had it for several years so it is quite established. It is the rhythm of the seasons which I enjoy. Picking strawberries at the moment, next will be black currants, then we have plums, blackberries. Later on we will have apples and pears which will mainly go for cider making.

There is always something to do and if anything goes wrong then there is next year.

DulseSeaweed · 28/06/2021 13:53

I felt really penned in in a 2 bed Victorian with a husband, teen and baby (and we had a lovely garden, albeit small). We are now on 4.5 acres and I feel like I can BREATHE. I agree with you entirely, though I still miss being able to order sushi at 1am!!

Glad you've found a little slice of heaven for you and your family. We don't have much time for growing right now but at one point we had two allotments and it really could pull me out of a dark place.

Ijustknowitstimetogo · 28/06/2021 14:02

Absolutely. I would love to live somewhere rural with a bit of land and a small wood of my own. I want to grow stuff and be surrounded by green. How do we make it happen?!

BirdsandBeesmakinghay · 28/06/2021 14:13

@GnomeDePlume

I get you. Our allotment is definitely balm to our souls. We get there thinking we will just be there for an hour then three hours later we think maybe we should go home. DH swears there is a blackhole on the allotment as time just disappears there. We come away grinning like idiots.

We are fortunate to have had it for several years so it is quite established. It is the rhythm of the seasons which I enjoy. Picking strawberries at the moment, next will be black currants, then we have plums, blackberries. Later on we will have apples and pears which will mainly go for cider making.

There is always something to do and if anything goes wrong then there is next year.

I am SO jealous
imscaredpleasehelp · 28/06/2021 14:41

I'm jealous too!
and @ijustknowitstimetogo I think I will grow more flowers and plant them in the park and scatter wild flower seeds next year and see if I can make my city feel a bit more wild. I know bee bombs and seed bombs are becoming more and more popular. I have certainly noticed more and more flowers the last 2 or 3 years

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AliceAbsolum · 28/06/2021 14:48

Yes! DH and I hated being hemmed in and the pandemic really made us re think life. So we moved into a campervan full time!
Jan-April was hell on earth, but now we're touring Europe and it's amazing!
Such an inside outside life. I love throwing open the doors and getting into bed in the evenings to read or watch TV.

We're vlogging it all so feel free to watch along

youtube.com/c/RunningOffGrid

AliceAbsolum · 28/06/2021 14:49

Overuse of exclamation marks there Hmm But I am just loving life atm.

GnomeDePlume · 28/06/2021 15:11

To anyone put off getting an allotment because of the waiting list do join the list. I was told it would be 25 years but in fact it was about 6 months!

IME people either give up after a year or two or stay forever, quite literally putting down roots. So there can be a fair turnover of plots as people give up when they realise they cant be there every week.

We are fortunate in that our allotments are privately owned and technically are smallholdings. This means we can grow anything we like (except weeds and drugs), plant trees, grow flowers. Some people keep hens, there is also a small pig farm on one of the fields.

There is always someone to give advice. Some of it is useful!

Tuberoses · 28/06/2021 15:12

I would just like to know how the heck you managed to get an allotment without a 10 year waiting list!

vampirethriller · 28/06/2021 16:21

I was told a 3 year waiting list but got mine in under 2 months. It's a half plot, was very overgrown and nobody else wanted it! I used to take the baby and let her sleep while I cut the brambles down and dug beds. We've just picked 6lbs of gooseberries Smile

GnomeDePlume · 28/06/2021 16:23

There was a huge waiting list but it rolled round very quickly. People go on the waiting list but then have changed their minds/dont like the plot on offer/moved away/got an allotment elsewhere by the time they get to the top of the list. I was told the waiting list was 25 years but the reality was 6 months.

PattyPan · 28/06/2021 17:58

I totally agree OP and I also love my allotment and the worst part of my job being so busy at the moment is not being able to spend time there/outside in general. Especially since I work in what you might call the information economy ie I don’t produce anything physical.
The idea of living in captivity is one I came across in an excellent book called Move your DNA. It compares certain health issues (for example back pain) to the flopped over dorsal fins that whales in captivity get, because our modern lifestyle and built environment doesn’t encourage or even allow us to move in the ways and amounts our bodies are designed for.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 18:04

I'm in a flat
On the list for an allotment

One thing worries me

Is it full of people playing music out loud etc?

I really need to get out more but nowhere is quiet

Ironically my block of flats is quieter than local neighbourhood houses

I'd love a cabin in the woods

Out here it's all noisy strimmers and screaming kids.

Ostara212 · 28/06/2021 18:06

@Ijustknowitstimetogo

Absolutely. I would love to live somewhere rural with a bit of land and a small wood of my own. I want to grow stuff and be surrounded by green. How do we make it happen?!
Me too

I am honestly wondering if there's a dating website to help with this

PattyPan · 28/06/2021 18:15

@Ostara212 no one plays music at ours. I even try not to use the strimmer when other people are around so as not to disturb them. It’s basically birdsong and occasional road noise.

Ted27 · 28/06/2021 18:21

@Ostara212

naturalfriends.co.uk might be for you !

flower11 · 28/06/2021 18:23

Yes I get you op. If I spend too long inside I start to feel hemmed in and caged. I often get caught up in my thoughts.

My mental health hasn't been great the last year and I've found going for long walks is good for the soul and clears my mind.
I live walking distance to the beach and find the sound of the waves calming and the vast expanse of sky helps get perspective.

GnomeDePlume · 28/06/2021 18:27

Noise depends on where your allotment field is and also where your plot is on the field. We are near the edge so can hear the playground next to the field but somehow it isnt intrusive. I hear children shrieking but then think 'not my kids, not my problem'.

Mower/strimmer/rotavator noise tends to be intermittent rather than continuous. I normally wander round with headphones on listening to audiobooks.

Taliskerskye · 28/06/2021 18:39

Tbh my allotment takes me an hour to get to in London. But it’s worth it. I would love to be able to pop down after work, but for now I content myself with at least one full day.

The pond is something you should not put off. It’s amazing! I’ve got a wildlife area around it.

Agree with the waiting lists, I was told 5 years, waited 2. Time flies!
@Ostara212
Music is banned. Kids are not. But honestly, they’re ok. I can’t get that annoyed with them being out and about. You’d be surprised how tranquil it is.