AIBU to not buy from Soak and Sleep?

[Skinnytailedsquirrel]

Really fancied one of their duvet covers until I saw it was "manufactured in China". Looked at another one...and another one....same thing.

Why would a company do that? So many people (including me) are boycotting anything made in PRC.

@MissKeithsNeice

Apologies *@everyoneisthere* that was a misquote of you on my part.

No worries 😊

Sad to see that so many posters here are perfectly happy to support a government engaged in genocide, women's rights abuses and modern slavery

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Chinahiddenn_camps

Even sadder that those same posters mock others for taking a personal stance against those abuses.

Some of you are literally mocking the OP for attempting to protest against genocide, rape and abuse

Nice.

Veterinari

no need to get that superior tone, boasting about boycotting one random brand is hardly making a stance is it.

@kindaclassy

Veterinari

no need to get that superior tone, boasting about boycotting one random brand is hardly making a stance is it.

Except the OP doesn't just boycott one brand So I'm not sure what your point is?

If it's just to call me 'superior' for agreeing that genocide and rape or objectionable then I'd suggest you examine your own moral standards

My point is that virtue signalling deserves to be mocked

@kindaclassy

My point is that virtue signalling deserves to be mocked

Sure

Some of us prefer to share information on human rights issues and try to minimise our impacts on others by purchasing as responsibly as we can

You prefer to mock 🤷‍♀️

the virtue signalling comment was applying to you too

I'm very grateful for mn pointing me to soak and sleep, I've now purchased two duvets from the them and they are dreamy, I adore them I still feel a little luxury going under the covers at night, it "floats" on my body.

My duvet is not made in China. I'm sure like evry single other shop in the whole world though, some products will inevitably come from China.

However I agree op on the humans rights issues and every thing else to do with the country in that vein.

@kindaclassy

the virtue signalling comment was applying to you too

Yes I understood that you were attempting to insult me.

Again, your choice

If you consider criticising genocide and rape to be 'virtue signalling' then we probably just have different thresholds for basic decency.

I love the fact that those supporting the OP are sharing links about China's human rights abuses as if its new information

Its mildly terrifying that some posters read this thread and assume that those who disagree with OP are either ignorant of current affairs or are cheerleaders for a repressive toralitarian regime.

The thing is China owns some GBP 143bn of UK assets including pubs, shopping centres, theme parks.

It's not just a case of boycotting products with made in China labels, but also not using onshore China owned facilities.

@MissKeithsNeice

I love the fact that those supporting the OP are sharing links about China's human rights abuses as if its new information

Its mildly terrifying that some posters read this thread and assume that those who disagree with OP are either ignorant of current affairs or are cheerleaders for a repressive toralitarian regime.

Fair enough.

Maybe some of the posters who are criticising the OP's efforts could tell us why her actions are so problematic to them?

I have nothing per se against the OP's stance, it cannot possibly be denied that China's human rights record is diabolical. I would be more shocked if there was anyone that didn't know that.

But as a poster said earlier, China's been treating its sown citizens appallingly for decades, the suppression of Tibet has been going on since the 50's, all long before China became the world's manufacturing country of choice in the very comparatively recent past.

It is creditable to boycott Chinese products but the reality is it won't in itself make any material difference. No Government is going to make a meaningful stand either; look at the tariffs China imposed on Australia for standing up on Covid. Governments are dependent on China for trade and if that doesn't scare them the prospect of China calling in its debt does.

Yep @TSSDNCOP I agree but I think you can probably make the same arguments for many ethical activities - being vegan is unlikely to end the meat industry, for example, and recycling is unlikely to save the planet from plastic.

What I find strange though is why people feel the need to judge and slander those people who do try and disengage from supporting industries/activities that they find morally objectionable. Sure, it's unlikely to make a material difference, but it's also not harmful and potentially has the effect of raising awareness around morally problematic issues. So where's the harm?

I think we are broadly in agreement, I agree that there is no harm. I just don't think it will make the difference they hope. Also, I don't have a better answer unfortunately.

I certainly wouldn't slate the OP for giving it their best shot though.

@TSSDNCOP

I certainly wouldn't slate the OP for giving it their best shot though.

Yep sorry - that last question was more a general musing than a question to you specifically.

I just find it weird that so many posters are so unpleasant and critical of the OP's purchasing decisions? I find it odd that people are so aggressive about a stranger doing something that has zero impact on them

My pillows & sheets are from Soak & Sleep. I am very happy with them.

@MissKeithsNeice

Ah, okay, I see you started boycott a few years ago.

That must be quite research intensive. How do you stay on top of the detail?

Google?

@TSSDNCOP

I have nothing per se against the OP's stance, it cannot possibly be denied that China's human rights record is diabolical. I would be more shocked if there was anyone that didn't know that.

But as a poster said earlier, China's been treating its sown citizens appallingly for decades, the suppression of Tibet has been going on since the 50's, all long before China became the world's manufacturing country of choice in the very comparatively recent past.

It is creditable to boycott Chinese products but the reality is it won't in itself make any material difference. No Government is going to make a meaningful stand either; look at the tariffs China imposed on Australia for standing up on Covid. Governments are dependent on China for trade and if that doesn't scare them the prospect of China calling in its debt does.

I am vegan and aware that it won’t make any difference to the meat industry or it’s treatment of animals. But I need to do what I think is right to be able to sleep at night. Why do other people care?

And smacking people down for trying to spread awareness is a pretty awful use of internet time.

I have just spent over £700 with them and I was not aware that it’s all made in China. My fault for not checking.

I try to avoid buying from the PRC. I must admit it is difficult.

@Veterinari

Sad to see that so many posters here are perfectly happy to support a government engaged in genocide, women's rights abuses and modern slavery

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China]]hiddenn_camps

Even sadder that those same posters mock others for taking a personal stance against those abuses.

Some of you are literally mocking the OP for attempting to protest against genocide, rape and abuse

Nice.

Well said.

So easy to mock, so difficult to do something constructive.

Dunelm sell duvets made in UK as do Tesco. I’ve been boycotting China for lots of different reasons, What winds me up is when you buy online there is no requirement to state county of origin, only on the packaging for import/export rules. How we shop since Covid has changed for ever - and the info we have available in store on labels and packages, should also be available on line at the point of sale. 30 years ago only hippies recycled their rubbish - now we all do it. I believe the same will happen with ethical shopping.