India Knight. To be shocked by the lack of self awareness.

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I feel sad writing this as I have enjoyed her writing at times. I have been quite disturbed by recent developments but do still read The Times as I do still value their overall output ( their ongoing campaign on behalf of those impacted by the cladding scandal is excellent )so do still scan her articles. Today was a discussion of veganism etc. which did make some interesting points but right in the middle was the following statement
‘ I don’t much believe in hypocrisy, which is often the stupid person’s way of oversimplifying complicated and nuanced human choices’
The fact that it was written, then the fact that it wasn’t picked up by editors is astounding.
I think her position is untenable.

@Labradooodle

It’s defensiveness. I think she’s always been a bit of a dichotomy confidence-wise.

I feel so old to remember such an epic history of broadsheet columnists, but I remember when Ruth Picardie died , her email correspondence with IK was published in the posthumous book of her columns and so on (this was 97) and I always thought the fragility of her bravado was quite obvious, even in those circumstances. Just my opinion, of course.

@OneFootintheRave Her DD has a severe disability (syndrome) so it wouldn’t be entirely surprising if she were educated in a residential setting.

Equally AO’H could have custody. Nobody who knows for sure will put their name to the information.

would an MP who campaigns for the abolition of private education be a hypocrite if they were at the same time sending their own children to a private school? I would say no, or not necessarily, but I bet 99% of people would say yes, and I would say that in doing so they are displaying a lack of critical thinking skills.

@RandomLondoner nah, it’s the 1% in your analogy who lack critical thinking skills, to a worrying degree.

And speaking of critical thinking (or lack thereof), you appear to have spectacularly missed the point of the OP.

I understand she's with a man who was convicted of being in possession of the worst kind of child abuse Material😔

@Dongdingdong

would an MP who campaigns for the abolition of private education be a hypocrite if they were at the same time sending their own children to a private school? I would say no, or not necessarily, but I bet 99% of people would say yes, and I would say that in doing so they are displaying a lack of critical thinking skills.

@RandomLondoner nah, it’s the 1% in your analogy who lack critical thinking skills, to a worrying degree.

And speaking of critical thinking (or lack thereof), you appear to have spectacularly missed the point of the OP.

Why though?

Who on earth uses the term 'Child Porn'?!

Absolutely disgraceful.

Its Child sex abuse.

That’s interesting RT... Could it be the case that she’s desperate at this stage? Her fella is a nasty piece of work, always was. She’s a seemingly intelligent woman... Past her prime (ironic considering her book on the topic of women’s so-called prime).

Anyway, apart from her domestic situation, I think that India Knight’s place at the Sunday Times has most definitely run it’s course. Her brand of lofty recommendations, whether make-up or lifestyle, so badly hard with their new woke-lite raft of young writers. She sticks out like a sore thumb!

Badly jar, is what I mean...

Also the poster comparing CP / CA with adult porn (horrible as much of it is), um no! Husbands who watch a bit of PornHub (or whatever) are in no way in the same league as Eric Joyce & co...

Sorry it sounds like I’m just having a good old chinwag in her private affairs, but I’m genuinely intrigued by why the hell she’s staying with him. If the successful and apparently well to do (and she was very well off at one point) amongst us can’t manage to dump such a dire wrong’un, you kind of despair. Yes she seems cocky and confident but in that case double “why?”

So I’m wondering what the fragility is? Her first husband turned out to be gay, which must be bruising. With her next DP she quickly went through the trauma of having a very disabled little girl with high care needs and splitting before too long.

Before that she was a mixed race child of divorce and a complex step family in (70s?) British boarding schools. I just wonder what she has experienced & whether her confidence is all faux.

Now I sound like both a gossip AND and apologist but I hope some of you catch my intent. It’s such a puzzle.

@Clymene was it really worth you AS-ing my posts to find one from 2018 referencing sentencing outcomes? (which in any event was not in relation to sexual offences contrary to your assertion).

Whilst it is true that outcomes generally are poorer for those who are neither white nor middle class, the general trend in the last few years on offences relating to child abuse images is NOT to impose a custodial absent any aggravating factors, irrespective of the offenders race or background. It is possible that a less white, less middle class offender than Eric Joyce could have found themselves with a lengthier suspended sentence, or increased community punishment order.

I find it baffling too, @RickiTarr. To be so desperate for a relationship that you'd put up with a man like that, a violent drunk and convicted paedophile. She must be with him because she wants to be and is only truly horrified by the prospect of being, shock horror, single. I've no doubt she must have had many friends advising her to leave and offering to help with that. But she stays.

I suppose we’ve all known someone in a situation a little like that.

There’s still time to U turn India, if you read this. You’re too beautiful and clever for him even if he wasn’t a sex offender.

None of us can comment with certainty as to her reasons for remaining in the relationship.

However I doubt it is as single faceted as her being afraid of being alone.

Just as there won't be a single reason that led Eric Joyce to commit that offence. He is an alcoholic apparently, and likely also a frequent user of porn. Obviously not all alcoholics and porn users end up downloading images of child abuse of course.

He will have been encouraged by the probation service to engage with treatment, via the Lucy Faithfull foundation. She may have chosen to support him through that process. Certainly I don't think she will be discussing her reasoning publicly, and given the existing vilification directed at her, I don't blame her for remaining entirely silent on it all.

Self-esteem is a strange thing. I had so many doubts and anxieties and I escaped my x with a buggy and a backpack and nowhere to go and no money when I got there. And that is why I find women like IK so hard to figure out. When I was trying to fix my life, I could only have dreamt of having financial independence, a good career, well connected family members....

YANBU. How she has stayed with that paedophile Eric Joyce, I have no idea.

@Labradooodle

Self-esteem is a strange thing. I had so many doubts and anxieties and I escaped my x with a buggy and a backpack and nowhere to go and no money when I got there. And that is why I find women like IK so hard to figure out. When I was trying to fix my life, I could only have dreamt of having financial independence, a good career, well connected family members....

Pretty much the same story here. Maybe that’s why I’m so fascinated by her cussedness.

@RickiTarr My first bf was gay and it left me with a weird feeling that a man was doing me a favour ykwim...... I wish he'd been my 2nd bf, I would have figured it out quicker.

That’s what you expect isn’t it? To suss things out quicker and to put up with less with age and experience?

You’re quite right @Anaiis and I expect that’s what she would say too. I really feel for her sons, though. They must be twenty somethings now.

[quote Anaiis]@Clymene was it really worth you AS-ing my posts to find one from 2018 referencing sentencing outcomes? (which in any event was not in relation to sexual offences contrary to your assertion).

Whilst it is true that outcomes generally are poorer for those who are neither white nor middle class, the general trend in the last few years on offences relating to child abuse images is NOT to impose a custodial absent any aggravating factors, irrespective of the offenders race or background. It is possible that a less white, less middle class offender than Eric Joyce could have found themselves with a lengthier suspended sentence, or increased community punishment order.[/quote]
I don't normally AS except when my spider senses prickle. You set mine off and as far as I can see, about 2/3 of your limited posts are defending men who have been convicted for sexual offences.

So You have a clear agenda. Always good to make other posters aware of that. Feel free to AS me. You'll see that I have a very clear agenda in protecting women and children from male sexual abuse.

I see what you’re saying, RT. It’s fascinating, really! I think the diet book was the one time India Knight was thin (she insisted that in her new country-lady guise, her old London wardrobe is of no use to her, size notwithstanding). She’s never been a classic beauty, but writes a beauty column...
Like you, I’m not trying to stick the boot in. It’s just all worth noting. And her scraps with other journos, Liz Jones & Julie Burchill, are a window into a sort of insecurity. She knows her career hinges on her media connections. It’s why she’s so deep into the Twitterari.

Not just sexual abuse. Any old kind of abuse.

Perhaps she thinks there is nuance, as she is in fact the complicated one...

When she called LJ a cunt, on Twitter, her excuse was that her partner had just left the room, and that she’d momentarily got carried away, when left to her own devices (literally!). That’s rather impulsive... Anyway, I do remember thinking that was quite sad, at the time. For a grown woman to say something like that.

I’d forgotten the Julie Burchill thing. I don’t think having to maintain a high SM profile for career reasons is ever all that healthy, but for some people it’s bound to be easier than others.