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to find the twitter anti ad campaign against GB news ridiculous?

120 replies

smersh84 · 17/06/2021 13:17

it annoys me to see people on twitter demanding companies stop advertising there and boycotting them.
they don't even a real reason beyond I don't like it.
If you don't like it don't watch it
it literally hasn't even been on for 1 week.
why is everyone such an SJW these days?
do people think they are real activists over twitter?
do you people really think companies care about what they do beyond whether they make more money?
I know about the Epstein thing but that was one of their guests.
sorry a bit of a rant there.
im not trolling just angry

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MaloInAnAppleTree · 19/06/2021 11:29

I have no time for GB News and I loathe Dan Wootton in particular, but I’m genuinely baffled by what they’ve actually done wrong to date. What exactly are they being accused of? I’m pretty sure they’ll find something bad to do soon in the interests of controversy mind you.

Unlike, say, the Daily Mail who crossed a line with their Philpott front page from which they can never return.

thegcatsmother · 19/06/2021 11:33

M0nkeybars That is your right of course, but just as I boycott companies who don't believe that a woman is an adult human female, I will choose to spend or donate my not inconsiderable disposable income with companies or charities who align with what I perceive to be important.

M0nkeybars · 19/06/2021 11:35

@FrippEnos

M0nkeybars

How is this a business decision for twitter?
They are hardly the target audience and those on twitter would be unlikely to watch GB news anyway.

What are you talking about?

Twitter itself hasn't launched a campaign to boycott GBNews, Twitter users are exerting their free speech to demand that the brands they use and support don't fund a platform that spouts right-wing rhetoric. Supporters of GBNews also have the right to vote with their feet.

Ultimately it's up to brands to decide whether to listen or not, and who they will listen to. You can guarantee that an awful lot more than a knee-jerk reaction on Twitter will have gone in to any decisions to pull advertising. It all comes down to money, if GBNews made them shut loads of money they would continue advertising there.

Advertisers are under no obligation to pay for platforms that risk losing them customers for the sake of preserving free speech. It's up to GBNews to work out how they will make sure their platform is sustainable.

M0nkeybars · 19/06/2021 11:37

@thegcatsmother

M0nkeybars That is your right of course, but just as I boycott companies who don't believe that a woman is an adult human female, I will choose to spend or donate my not inconsiderable disposable income with companies or charities who align with what I perceive to be important.

This is exactly the point I'm making. People choose to support brands that align with their values.

DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 11:46

The advertisers know their audiences and they'll act accordingly. No-one's trying to stifle free speech, it's a business decision 🤷‍♀️

Yes they do, and advertising is always targeted. But do you think companies like Vodaphone and IKEA and LV car and house insurance honestly give two hoots about how their customers vote and how woke they are? I doubt it. They are too big to care and their products are for everyone. Literally everyone of any age, colour, culture, education level and political persuasion.

When it comes to something like advertising for a charity for refugees for example, or payday loans or Foxy Bingo or Tenalady then of course advertising is going to be very carefully targeted towards a receptive market. That makes good business sense.

But not IKEA, mobile phones and car insurance - come on now! Those companies have just had a knee jerk reaction to being bombarded on Twitter and are frightened of being tarred and feathered for being seen to support something unpopular. I'm not sure they actually give a stuff about what specific form that 'unpopular' might take. Anything that risks losing them a good chunk of their market is to be avoided.

But this could well be an own goal for them. They are getting a very cool reception indeed from a huge number of otherwise quiet people who have raised an eyebrow at what they see as gratuitious toadying and virtue signalling and as a result, they risk alienating far more people by denouncing the apparently wrong 'values' of GBN than they would have by refusing to pander to a few shouty SJWs on Twitter.

And they've realised this - hence why they reversed the decision with some bumbling excuses and red faces all round. Incidentally, IKEA catalogues in Saudi have women airbrushed out of the photos. So that tells you all you need to know about whether IKEA cares more about its own ethics and values or more about pandering to whichever market means the biggest profit to them.

Why should they feel entitled to be funded if their content alienates their audiences?

They shouldn't. And I am sure no channel feels entitled to anything of the sort. They understand how advertising works. But who is to say what content is alienating who, when the channel has been up for less than a week and most left-wing Remainer types are saying they refuse to watch it anyway? You can't alienate an audience you already don't have, because they've already decided you are not a good fit for their views. But let's remember that right now in this country the Left Wing Remainer is in a minority. Rather a large minority as it happens.

DynamoKev · 19/06/2021 11:48

@MaloInAnAppleTree

I have no time for GB News and I loathe Dan Wootton in particular, but I’m genuinely baffled by what they’ve actually done wrong to date. What exactly are they being accused of? I’m pretty sure they’ll find something bad to do soon in the interests of controversy mind you.

Unlike, say, the Daily Mail who crossed a line with their Philpott front page from which they can never return.

Indeed. The Mail has told plenty of lies.
DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 11:53

Which Philpott front page are you talking about and which lies? do you mean the Philpotts whose children were killed in a house fire?

sleepygnome · 19/06/2021 11:58

I think "gammon" is a horrible term and pretty hyprocritical of the "be kind" crowd to use. It definitely has racist and Christianophobic tones to it, imo. If you have to resort to using such pathetic terms to get your argument across, then you lose straight away.

If you don't like GB News, just don't watch it. There are lots of other channels, it's not a difficult decision - just change the channel, nobody is being forced to watch it!

MaloInAnAppleTree · 19/06/2021 12:02

This one, where they blame the welfare state for the children’s death.

to find the twitter anti ad campaign against GB news ridiculous?
DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 12:21

well said sleepy

QueenBee52 · 19/06/2021 12:39

he's well aware the bbc is the most unbiased media outlet in the country.

I almost choked on my tea reading that.

🤣😂

Blossomtoes · 19/06/2021 12:48

@DansMaPoche

Mental gynmastics - a definition:

'a miraculous mental process of weaving intricate threads of reasoning in complex, tangential, and often contradictory ways to give the mental gymnast the illusion that they has resolved the cognitive dissonance stemming from objective facts debunking their firmly held beliefs, thereby allowing the mental gymnast to continue on with life still holding onto the flawed beliefs while still acknowledging the objective facts.'

There is nothing complex or tangential or contradictory in my belief that as the phrase 'gammon' applies to skin tone and attributes negative characteristics to people of that skin tone, it is by its very nature a racist, bigoted slur. Attributing negative characteristics to people on account of their skin tone is the first and most fundamental definition of racism.

It would take some serious mental gynmastics to try to deny this, however.

I thought it originated from David Cameron fucking a pig.
DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 12:50

Just read all that article. I don't see that they blame the welfare state for the deaths at all. The blame is squarely placed at the feet of Mick Philpott, as it should be.

As for the DM telling lies, I'm not sure when you really analyse it they are actually lies, most of the time. Merely (unpopular in some circles) populist opinions and predictions or presenting facts in a way that others take issue with.

It's too easy to label everything you don't like to hear as a lie. People do it to politicians all the time. They say something fairly ambiguous that might be intrepeted in various ways and someone will decide they 'lied' because they were not specific enough or avoided mentioning something. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's our job to read between the lines of what's not said where politics is concerned but that doesn't necessarily make them liars.

These things are rarely a downright lie, more of a spin or a slant or cherry picking of the facts, and yes a fair bit of invective etc. But that's not the same thing as a lie. I don't know why people can't just call it that. It does none of us any good to go round branding everyone as a liar because you don't like what they say. It reduces the political landscape to the school playground.

People have forgotten that statistics only tell half the story - usually the half the teller wants told and the other half gets conveniently buried. People have forgotten the difference between fact, opinion and forecast. the poster upthread got it right when she said there is a distinct lack of critical thinking and ability to understand the importance of nuance and perspective.

rainbowdaz · 19/06/2021 13:25

@Orf1abc

racist black people often liken white people to pigs and reference pigskin in relation to white people.

When used as a slur, 'pigs' is a reference to the police, not to white people in general.

Pig is a slur for police Also a general slur, in regard to skin colour

You can't seriously be implying people are saying 'white people are [police]', that's ridiculous

pasteldreams · 19/06/2021 13:58

You can guarantee that an awful lot more than a knee-jerk reaction on Twitter will have gone in to any decisions to pull advertising

Confused yes that's why a number of them have backtracked straight away

LivingDeadGirlUK · 19/06/2021 14:20

@QueenBee52

he's well aware the bbc is the most unbiased media outlet in the country.

I almost choked on my tea reading that.

🤣😂

Most of the main stream media is right leaning, then you have some left leaning outlets like the guardian. The BBC isn't always perfect but its by far the least biased. You can see this because people with right wing views say its left leaning and people with left wing views say its right leaning. In fact it tries (in the news reporting, I'm not talking opinion pieces) to stick to the facts so much that its actually quite boring. It's much more exciting to read the Daily Mail where they just make shit up to get a reaction.

It's weird how GB news is being peddled as something new, and as someone mentioned Murdock decided it wasn't going to be economically viable to run a TV station so it will be interesting to see how it does.

Cattenberg · 19/06/2021 14:40

I agree @LivingDeadGirlUK. To readers of the Daily Mail or Telegraph, the BBC must seem very left-wing and PC. It is PC due to its equality and diversity policies, but that doesn’t make it left-wing.

QueenBee52 · 19/06/2021 15:18

I don't trust ANY media.. I get my news from Reena over the fence next door 🤣

DansMaPoche · 19/06/2021 16:40

There is a segment called Free Speech Nation on right now and they've just done a great interview with a trans woman who is gender critical and beleives that women deserve protection in women only spaces. Now they are going to interview Peter Tatchell.

I'm really enjoying the content today.

NannyAndJohn · 19/06/2021 17:08

GB News knows what a woman is and that's enough for me.

They have my support.

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