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that the idea of registration for cyclists is silly, unworkable and unenforceable

426 replies

KihoBebiluPute · 15/06/2021 03:03

This idea was featured on Radio 4 on monday morning and is also in the telegraph - Nick Freeman (the motorists loophole lawyer) is trying to drum up support for a scheme to force cyclists to register and display a number plate type thing.

I get that there are plenty of selfish and sometimes dangerous cyclists out there, but the numbers of deaths and injuries caused by dangerous cycling is a minuscule fraction of the numbers caused by careless driving and the whole idea seems totally unrealistic to me.

(1) For number plates to work as a reasonably reliable registration method for cars, the manufacture of number plates has to be quite tightly controlled - criminals do clone plates but it's not easy for an ordinary member of the public to get a plate without proof of ownership, and plates are fixed to the correct car and generally stay put. Any kind of wearable registration plate for cyclists would necessarily be something portable and would therefore be so easy to lose or nick that it would be functionally useless as a means of identification because there couldn't be any means to verifiably ensure that each plate was only ever carried by the correctly registered individual associated with that number plate.

(2) cyclists don't come into the world as fully formed MAMILs - and the sight of a 6 year old wobbling along the pavement next to a parent is quite normal. There's no sharp divide between a kid just learning and a fully independent cyclist, no test to pass or license to grant. There's just a gradual build up of skills and road-sense and a gradual reduction in parental supervision. so there's no rational way to define when someone should start being registered (presumably no one thinks it should apply to kids who are just learning)

(3) its frankly stupid to put up any kind of additional barrier to make it more complicated to make a trip by bike rather than getting in the car. It's currently just about a reasonable balance for me for a lot of journeys - a tiny bit of extra hassle to find my helmet and D-lock, but the benefit of not having to find or pay for parking balances that enough that some fraction of the car-miles I might otherwise make, generating traffic congestion and pollution, gets turned into the green alternative of cycling. Upset this balance by making it a legal requirement to wear and carry this proposed registration plate and the net effect will be to drive up car traffic at a time when we should be doing everything we can to achieve the opposite.

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Neron · 15/06/2021 21:05

How is there recourse Loop, when the majority are not caught? I spent years working in the city and witnessed many, many altercations between cyclists and pedestrians in that time. Granted, not all were the cyclists fault - but in the instances where they were, they didn't hang around. I've had to give 1st aid to someone knocked over, wait for an ambulance for another who was hurt quite badly. Those were innocent people, out of pocket and hurt by cyclists who were able to ride off and no way of tracing them.

Wasn't that cyclist found to have insufficient brakes? Isn't that why the punishment was quite harsh?

FixTheBone · 15/06/2021 21:06

The thing that would bother me most as a cyclist would be the practicalities of a number plate, on a light road bike in a strong wind it'd be like a sail - potential to be blown all over the place, it would need to be lit at night, more weight to carry for more batteries and lights, I can't really ever see it being practical.

DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 21:37

@FixTheBone

The thing that would bother me most as a cyclist would be the practicalities of a number plate, on a light road bike in a strong wind it'd be like a sail - potential to be blown all over the place, it would need to be lit at night, more weight to carry for more batteries and lights, I can't really ever see it being practical.
That's because it is a ridiculous idea.
DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 21:43

@Aprilx That laws already get broken elsewhere is a really dumb reason to not bring in measures to ensure that there is a means of tracking down law breaking cyclists. I cannot even begin to respond to such a stupid comment.
And yet you have responded.
So in summary you'd rather have laws that can't be enforced and ridiculous and unworkable scheme for cycle and/or cyclist registration than actually tackle the problem of a few bad cyclists?

DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 21:45

@Neron

How is there recourse Loop, when the majority are not caught? I spent years working in the city and witnessed many, many altercations between cyclists and pedestrians in that time. Granted, not all were the cyclists fault - but in the instances where they were, they didn't hang around. I've had to give 1st aid to someone knocked over, wait for an ambulance for another who was hurt quite badly. Those were innocent people, out of pocket and hurt by cyclists who were able to ride off and no way of tracing them.

Wasn't that cyclist found to have insufficient brakes? Isn't that why the punishment was quite harsh?

And you think the type of cyclists who do that will display plates? If not how many thousands of Police are you going to pay for the catch the no-plate cyclists? If we had that many Police we would need the daft plates.
jasjas1973 · 15/06/2021 21:45

Neron So did i and never once, not once did i see an argument involving a cyclist, saw a few carted away in Ambulances though after a car hit them.

Its a food chain, lorries at the top, pedestrians and cyclists just below 'bikers.

My theory is that for many (non sporty) motorists its pure jealousy, we are fit, slim, can enjoy the open road & lanes, free from traffic chaos.... they however, are fat, unfit, stuck in their motorised coffins and their traffic jams.

DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 21:45

If we had that many Police we wouldn't need the daft plates.

DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 21:49

I love the ridiculous idea that suddenly every errant cyclist will be easily identified.
Do you really think the arrogant twats who knock down pedestrians then just cycle off will be proudly displaying your massively visible plates?
Around here there are plenty of cars without front plates and with unreadable mangled rear ones - if the Police can't deal with that (and cars are supposed to have an MOT) how the hell do you think they will deal with a gazzilion fast moving cycles?

Doctroo · 15/06/2021 22:01

Cycling is freedom.

I will not wear a helmet. I will cycle on the pavement. I will sail nonchalantly through red lights. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

And I will die on this hill. Die rather and register my cycle. Die, gladly.

But it's never going to happen. It's an utterly ridiculous idea. Supremely impractical. As many have pointed out. Only the angry flailing Daily Fail reading numpties want it, as their lives are so catastrophically empty that all they can think of doing is to kick out and hate on anything that doesn't fit in to their cloistral worldview.

Fuck them. They're history. The way the world is heading, motorised transport is going the way of the dinosaur

I scream with laughter as I ride my two-wheeled chariot of death around the town mowing down old people children and cripples and smearing there blood all over my gibbering face.

We are the future. You are the past. Accept it.

Ding ding get out of my way.

(Oh, I need to pick up some furniture from IKEA so can someone give me a lift. Cheers.)

TWO WHEELS GOOD FOUR WHEELS BAD.

jasjas1973 · 15/06/2021 22:07

@Doctroo

^Well said!!

impostersong · 15/06/2021 22:13

I was hit by a cyclist go at a stupid speed (I was stationary). Nearly wrote off my car the damage was so bad. Where is their liability?! No insurance so not paying up despite fault being clear (police and ambulance attended scene). Still fuming about it now. I'm all for better regulation, insurance should be required.

Neron · 15/06/2021 22:14

Dynamo - where have I said anything about displaying plates or stereotyped cyclists? I haven't. My tuppence in this thread, has been to say I feel there should be accountability based on what I have seen.

Jas - interesting theory. I own a car (and a brand everyone slates), a motorbike and a cycle. I'm clearly a jealous fat menace on the road Grin

jasjas1973 · 15/06/2021 22:24

Possibly Neron possibly lol!

I would have no issue with some form of 3rd party ins but i don't know how that could ever be enforced,

Most serious cyclists do have it via their British cycling membership or if in an event, via their club or organisers.

Macncheeseballs · 15/06/2021 22:44

Motorbikes are so dangerous for cyclists

DynamoKev · 15/06/2021 22:58

@Neron

Dynamo - where have I said anything about displaying plates or stereotyped cyclists? I haven't. My tuppence in this thread, has been to say I feel there should be accountability based on what I have seen.

Jas - interesting theory. I own a car (and a brand everyone slates), a motorbike and a cycle. I'm clearly a jealous fat menace on the road Grin

So you want accountability- how do you plan to get that?
Emilyontmoor · 15/06/2021 23:15

Usually their dislike has nothing to do with rule breaking. It's all about speed (or lack of). Motorists hate having to wait for a safe place to pass. Horse riders experience the same - abuse or dangerous driving. No, my dislike is entirely about speed. Most cyclists NEVER slowdown for a pedestrian on a shared pedestrian priority path or respect the 10mph speed limit. It has made my traditional dog walk from my home along a river unwalkabe.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 15/06/2021 23:31

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Cyclists need to start respecting pedestrians and the Highway Code. if the way to do that is by registering and issuing number plates, then I'm all for it.

I really hope that's a typo in your post EnjoingtheSilence.

Oops def a typo! Cyclist definitely shouldn’t go though red lights!
DixonD · 15/06/2021 23:57

@KihoBebiluPute

I think the bloke promoting the idea is cross because he wants (when driving his car) to be able to do things like skipping red lights etc which he sees cyclists "getting away with" but knows he can't campaign for that so is instead trying to think of ways that cyclists can be caught and punished for traffic infractions in the same way that car drivers are.
All road users should respect the law and Highway Code. Why should cyclists get away with breaking the law?
Bananarama101 · 16/06/2021 06:48

@Doctroo

Cycling is freedom.

I will not wear a helmet. I will cycle on the pavement. I will sail nonchalantly through red lights. And there's nothing anyone can do about it.

And I will die on this hill. Die rather and register my cycle. Die, gladly.

But it's never going to happen. It's an utterly ridiculous idea. Supremely impractical. As many have pointed out. Only the angry flailing Daily Fail reading numpties want it, as their lives are so catastrophically empty that all they can think of doing is to kick out and hate on anything that doesn't fit in to their cloistral worldview.

Fuck them. They're history. The way the world is heading, motorised transport is going the way of the dinosaur

I scream with laughter as I ride my two-wheeled chariot of death around the town mowing down old people children and cripples and smearing there blood all over my gibbering face.

We are the future. You are the past. Accept it.

Ding ding get out of my way.

(Oh, I need to pick up some furniture from IKEA so can someone give me a lift. Cheers.)

TWO WHEELS GOOD FOUR WHEELS BAD.

Grin
PracticingPerson · 16/06/2021 06:53

Oh FFS, road tax for cyclists, what madness is that! Motorists need to fuck off tbh. Cars are shit, they are ruining towns, ruining our health.

Tara336 · 16/06/2021 06:59

I think it’s a great idea, ID could be attached to the bike front and back making it easy to identify anyone breaking the law. It may well deter some of the cyclists who misbehave and hopefully improve their image which they seriously need.

PracticingPerson · 16/06/2021 07:05

It'll cost a fortune to implement and police. Which will come from general taxation. Unless you charge £££ per cyclist. Which will cause traffic problems as everyone already owning a car will think 'fuck that'. So all the street car drivers will be moaning about increased traffic jams instead. Genius idea.

The problem is cars. Cars are shit.

DynamoKev · 16/06/2021 07:17

@Tara336

I think it’s a great idea, ID could be attached to the bike front and back making it easy to identify anyone breaking the law. It may well deter some of the cyclists who misbehave and hopefully improve their image which they seriously need.
How would you ensure all cyclists complied ?
DynamoKev · 16/06/2021 07:18

@PracticingPerson

It'll cost a fortune to implement and police. Which will come from general taxation. Unless you charge £££ per cyclist. Which will cause traffic problems as everyone already owning a car will think 'fuck that'. So all the street car drivers will be moaning about increased traffic jams instead. Genius idea.

The problem is cars. Cars are shit.

Cars are not shit, nor are bikes.
Macncheeseballs · 16/06/2021 07:49

Tara336, i would have thought it's car drivers who need their image improving, considering the thousands of deaths and accidents they've caused in the world over the last 100 years