Oxfam - rape reporting

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Wtf? Has anyone else seen this yet?

And in the UK 87% of the population is white.
95% of violent acts are commited by men.
So that this document mocks women for calling out abuse and tries to use race and feminism in a negative way to 'train people' to look out fot this 'evil' is just bizarre.

It is unfortunately maths not race nor feminism.

If the lecturer who wrote the book was raped, what would she do, I wonder?

Would she not report the crime at all?

It is true though that feminism centres around privileged white women, privileged in the sense that we don't experience the discrimination and inequality that other women do.

Tell that to the thousands of groomed, raped, abused and ignored white working class girls in the north. They are so "privileged" that the government can't even be bothered to deport their abusers but yeah, the men who raped them are the real victims .

It’s called “carceral feminism” in some —pseudo— feminist circles. Not my idea of feminism, mind you.

But you know, I’m increasingly thinking that the only way woke men can keep on pumping themselves up is by blaming women. It’s pathetic, but you know, they have to make up for their impossibly tiny dicks somehow.

Next to the cartoon of a sobbing ...woman is a caption saying that this attitude 'legitimises criminal punishment...

So...if you have been assaulted you are not allowed to cry...

Criminal punishment is legitimate if someone has committed a crime, or am I missing something?

Absolutely appalling.

So privileged women (those with the loudest voices) should not complain or force prosecution of rape because if they do men of all colours wont be allowed to rape women of all colours with impunity?

That seems to sum it up elgreco

It just seems like a very ham-fisted attempt to silence the critical female voice and cause division amongst us.

The fact of the matter is that all females are at risk of and vulnerable to male violence. Some women have this risk compounded by their race and circumstances because the males are in a position of elevated privilege (male plus in control of the stuff that’s going to save your kids’ lives). This elevated power is used against those women and they are coerced into various situations by those men.

@elgreco

So privileged women (those with the loudest voices) should not complain or force prosecution of rape because if they do men of all colours wont be allowed to rape women of all colours with impunity?

Exactly

Oxfam's own staff had been exploiting and abusing vulnerable women in Haiti- sex for food- and there was a high level cover up.

The slogan above their Shops states they Empower women. Not much evidence of that , rather the reverse.

Someone I know well was working for Oxfam in Haiti at the time of the scandal. She knew the man at the centre of the allegations fairly well.

Yes, there was use of prostitutes - of whom there were plenty who wanted the money. Even before the earthquake unemployment was apparently running at 60%. The fact that prostitution was technically illegal in Haiti, did not mean that it was not rife.

But as was well known by those who were there, the use of prostitutes was going on to some extent in every NGO, including the other big names. Someone my source knew well, who was working for another big name NGO, complained to her management that male staff sharing her accommodation were bringing prostitutes back.

The response was, ‘Find alternative accommodation, then.’

But there was not a word about that NGO in the press.

For some reason, although it was always well known in the sector that staff were using prostitutes (not illegal in so many countries) Oxfam was singled out for ‘special treatment’. It was presumably political, and at least partly IMO down to the ‘holier than thou’ image Oxfam had liked to present over the years.

"Whiteness" is the elephant in the feminism room. Feminist thought is and always has been an overwhelmingly white domain. Leading feminists a steeped in white privilege and their demands are framed with white women in mind. Yes, a lot of them apply to BAME women too, but that's a side effect, a coincidence, not an intention.

Very few white feminists think in terms of helping BAME women first, let alone putting BAME men ahead of them. (The "official" privilege pecking order prioritises race above gender, so the order we need to strive for equality should be BAME women first, then BAME men, then white women, and white men obviously last.)

If charities don't sort their shit out, no one is going to have any faith in them and donate. Which ultimately affects the people who need them the most. Seemingly they don't give a shit - are happy to throw women under the bus. They are unfit for purpose. The government needs to step in here and remove the charitable status of organisations who are contravening their mission statements.

Leading feminists a steeped in white privilege and their demands are framed with white women in mind.

I'll say it again, what kind of feminism is cool with men not being held criminally accountable for their criminal behaviour?

chain I don't think feminists are under any obligation to put any category of men ahead of women. And I'm not convinced actually, that I have an obligation to put anyone ahead of anyone else. Prioritising one group over another is the antithesis of striving for equality.

let alone putting BAME men ahead of them

Well, of course not! That wouldn’t be feminism

Why should I put any man ahead of me ChainJane?

Who dictates that 'pecking order'? What a horrible word to use in this context

@midgedude

I am confused by the direction this is taking

are you saying that none white less privileged women don't view rape as horrific abuse or...?

Or that white wonton should accept rape by none white men because none white men suffer discrimination?

Or is the whole thing a distraction?

Certainly a distraction. Looks like Oxfam are dropping a dead cat on the table to divert attention from the actions of their workers.

The "official" privilege pecking order prioritises race above gender

According to whom?

Well I don't give a fuck about 'official' pecking order. I'm fed up of hearing that women are below everyone else.

@Orf1abc

It's not an official document, and so far we've only got a summary from the Daily Mail. Do you have a link to the full document? Why would you sack someone that has nothing to do with it?

It is true though that feminism centres around privileged white women, privileged in the sense that we don't experience the discrimination and inequality that other women do.

It's not true that feminism focuses on privileged women.

It focuses on women. All women. Who are subject to sexism and misogyny.

Sensible people recognise that some women are substantially wealthier abs better off than others. This does not mean they are not subject to sexism.

Alison Phipps is a fucking idiot

I worked in DV and we had special, anonymised files for women who were either at risk of “honour” killings (if their names were included on documents they might be leaked by people within the system: police, social workers, GPs etc) or women who were from privileged, high profile backgrounds. Again, the risk was their details being leaked.
It really showed me that no women are immune to male violence.
The fact that some women have their risk compounded by racism or disability etc. doesn’t make white women less vulnerable to male violence.

I don't know how anyone can say that white women don't experience the same discrimination and inequality when we are looking at a document from a charity telling white women not to report rape or demand justice in case it disadvantages a bame rapist. Because obviously he's more important .

Obviously I don't think there should be disparity in sentencing between black and white sex offenders. They should all be in prison. For equally lengthy sentences. If white rapists are getting off lightly, that's disgusting. At the same time I can't bring myself to feel too sorry for any rapist who's been hard done by, if there's such a thing.

@ChainJane

"Whiteness" is the elephant in the feminism room. Feminist thought is and always has been an overwhelmingly white domain. Leading feminists a steeped in white privilege and their demands are framed with white women in mind. Yes, a lot of them apply to BAME women too, but that's a side effect, a coincidence, not an intention.

Very few white feminists think in terms of helping BAME women first, let alone putting BAME men ahead of them. (The "official" privilege pecking order prioritises race above gender, so the order we need to strive for equality should be BAME women first, then BAME men, then white women, and white men obviously last.)

This is only true if you have personally managed to ignore the experiences of women of colour. This includes art, writing, music as well as you know, the women themselves. Feminism isn't just about activist publications you know. Certainly not about academia gender studies which is currently a LONG way from what I regard as feminism - which is about working against sexism and misogyny