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Oxfam - rape reporting

104 replies

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 10/06/2021 12:41

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Wtf? Has anyone else seen this yet?

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cinammonbuns · 10/06/2021 16:11

@FourTeaFallOut I was not talking about male violence I was talking about feminism on MN. I think you thought I was commenting on the Oxfam document. I was not.

midgedude · 10/06/2021 16:14

I am confused by the direction this is taking

are you saying that none white less privileged women don't view rape as horrific abuse or...?

Or that white wonton should accept rape by none white men because none white men suffer discrimination?

Or is the whole thing a distraction?

mustlovegin · 10/06/2021 16:27

An organisation that, as per their mission, recognizes the universality and indivisibility of human rights fuelling so much division and hate. It's truly worrying

SharonasCorona · 10/06/2021 16:33

As a British Pakistani woman, I find this is shocking. I've refused to support Oxfam for some time now and will continue to swerve them.

Lordamighty · 10/06/2021 16:46

I cancelled my payment to Oxfam a while ago, after the last scandal. The whole charity sector stinks to high heaven & The Charity Commission appear to be another toothless regulator.

mustlovegin · 10/06/2021 16:50

The whole charity sector stinks

Much better to donate directly to those in need. That way you know where help is going

mustlovegin · 10/06/2021 17:14

Or local charities you know and trust or your local church

toffeebutterpopcorn · 10/06/2021 17:18

I believe it was written by a white, female, gender studies lecturer? I wonder if they paid for it. Maybe it was to detract attention away from their male workers rape and abuse accusations?

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 10/06/2021 17:33

So Oxfam are happy pushing the narrative that black men are associated with accusations of rape and sexual violence whereas white men aren't?

Oh, yes, I forgot, the white men from Oxfam are merely purchasing sexual services from women trying to keep themselves and their children alive. So that's OK. Nothing to see here. They're just trying to help out.

Ugh.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 10/06/2021 17:51

If you are a woman who is the victim of sexual assault, you have every right to report it and expect consequences for your attacker. You don't have to think about the skin colour of your attacker or your own skin colour before you do so - you don't have an obligation to anybody but yourself, to do what is best for you!

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mustlovegin · 10/06/2021 17:53

I am confused by the direction this is taking

It's all very muddled, for sure

If you are a woman who is the victim of sexual assault, you have every right to report it and expect consequences for your attacker

Exactly. Reading it again, it seems they are trying to say that some women are allowed to report a crime but not others? It's nuts

mustlovegin · 10/06/2021 18:45

Or that some criminals should be reported but not others

So much for 'universality of rights'...

ElaborateSalad · 10/06/2021 18:48

Eugh. I clicked on a DM link.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 10/06/2021 18:58

Best disinfect your phone ElaborateSalad Wink

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CharlieParley · 10/06/2021 19:24

[quote cinammonbuns]@CatherineMorland I don’t understand why this is always the response when this is mentioned. Are you trying to say white people experience racism to the extent ethnic minorities do. No? Then what the poster said isn’t wrong.

Also feminism is definitely centred in white women especially on here.[/quote]
Because when it comes to oppression on the basis of sex, white women do not escape its consequences by dint of their skin colour. That's why those girls in Rotherham or other victims of grooming gangs are brought up. We live in a majority white country and the majority of victims of grooming gangs are white women and girls (the majority of grooming gangs are populated by white men btw).

However, the mechanism of the patriarchal oppression of women and girls has been demonstrated in a truly obscene way in the cases of the grooming gangs where the perpetrators belonged to an ethnic minority. Because the institutions that should have protected these girls after they found out about the abuse decided not to. For political reasons. Because the suffering of these women and girls was deemed less important than the risk of reputational damage.

Simply dismissing white feminists as having nothing to contribute to fighting oppression on the basis of sex because of our (undeniable) racial advantage is nonsensical. I grew up in a more than 99% white country. Most immigrants who were not white were men. All we had was white feminists. Should we dismiss them because they were white? Deny the suffering of white women at the hands of white men?

Sex is the axis of oppression here and white women suffer that oppression alongside all other women. Because we are all members of the oppressed class when it comes to this particular axis of oppression.

However, some groups of women suffer other types of oppression which intersect with oppression on the basis of sex, and depending on where we live or what background we come from, these types of oppression can have a more severe effect than oppression only on the basis of sex.

Which applies to the victims in Rotherham. They were also oppressed on the basis of their socio-economic status. Indeed, there is no question in my mind that public institutions would have looked away had the victims not been poor. Should we dismiss poor white feminists, too?

Saying "white feminists" in this way as if all white women and girls were a homogenous group, all equally "privileged" is simplistic. I grew up poor and discriminated against on the basis of my parents' jobs. I'm also a migrant woman and have been discriminated against on that basis. I'm also white, well educated, now economically fairly secure, able-bodied and straight. Things which work to my advantage. But when it comes to oppression on the basis of sex, I share many experiences with women who are not like me. And I campaign for all of them.

My own history tells me that intersecting oppression also means that we must be aware that not all solutions will work equally well for all women suffering oppression on the basis of sex. And certainly seeing everything through the lens of white women alone would be shortsighted and has in the past proven counterproductive.

But that's not what's happening in the case of Oxfam and its despicable sexual exploitation of women and children in the countries where they have provided relief.

Naunet · 10/06/2021 19:54

@CharlieParley great post 👏

cinammonbuns · 10/06/2021 19:59

@CharlieParley did you reply to the wrong poster? When did I say anything about white feminism or what it has to contributes or that the Rotherham girls were not targets due to their socioeconomic background Confused.

You went on a very long rant which has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I simply said feminism on MN is focused on white women.

And you’re Rotherham example in response to my post is like a man coming up and saying well done women are abusive towards men when discussing domestic violence committed by men on women. It’s like your excusing it because ‘here is an example where it is the other way round’.

cinammonbuns · 10/06/2021 20:00

Also if you want to talk about white feminism it often also excluded working class white women.

cinammonbuns · 10/06/2021 20:02

And white feminist =/= white feminists. You are getting all jumbled up.

Anyway I didn’t even mention the words ‘white feminism’ in my originally post so I have no idea why you directed that all at me.

LangClegsInSpace · 10/06/2021 20:07

@FourTeaFallOut

I'm suggesting that sinking into a feminist black hole of cultural relativism affords Oxfam the opportunity to reframe some feminists as bad feminists, which is useful when a number of those feminists are in the media and pointing at you saying your charity workers shouldn't be trading aid for sex.
Well said.
Enterthewolves · 10/06/2021 20:13

@CharlieParley great post thank you

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2021 20:15

It's absolutely disgusting, abhorrent and twisted.

Especially given Oxfam's track record when it comes to exploiting women.

Theluggage15 · 10/06/2021 20:19

It’s an absolutely terrible document but unfortunately I wasn’t surprised to hear it was from Oxfam, they have a very twisted view of women and their rights.

MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 10/06/2021 20:19

Women fighting with other women about who has it worse, helps no one except abusive men.
No woman should be told to shut up about her sexual abuse, that she is less important.

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Sloth66 · 10/06/2021 20:37

I cancelled my monthly donation to Oxfam after the previous abuses were exposed.
Someone I knew as a volunteer at the charity spent some time at Oxfams office in Oxford. New cars, plush offices, very generous perks and people on large salaries heading off home early.

I wouldn’t ever donate to them again.