Come Hither to Discuss Something Morbid

[SmidgenofaPigeon]

Please don’t bother with this is you’re offended by musings of the morbid kind. I know some people are. It won’t be everyone’s cup of tea.

If I were to die randomly now, at 25 weeks pregnant, what would they do with my baby? Say I was in a car accident, and was declared brain dead in hospital, would they just keep me alive to grow the baby for longer, then deliver it and give it to my husband, or would that raise all sorts of ethical questions and just be very Gilead? Would he make the final call or would they go ahead and think well we will try to save the baby? Would the baby survive if I was brain dead? And obviously I’d have to stay technically ‘there’ but dead just to keep the baby alive. Which would be horrible. A soap opera must have done this as a storyline at some point. I think there was something like it in the Handmsid’s Tale?

There’s nothing wrong with me I promise. I do just enjoy thinking about morbid things. Like wondering if a chopped off head knows it’s been chopped off, and thinking of all the skeletons behind the walls of Bank tube station. I’ve got some beautiful taxidermy at home because I just like the fact that it’s a thing that was once alive and I can give it a nice home even though it’s dead

I’m sure there are others that have morbid wonderings too.

Certainly not if they were face down VeniVidi

@RodiganReed

In the US where commercial surrogacy is legal, I've seen it written into contracts how long the intended parents can keep the surrogate mother's body alive for in these circumstances.

This has made me rethink how I thought I felt about surrogacy

@SmidgenofaPigeon

I would also think having your head chopped off makes your blood pressure drop so fast you’re not conscious for more than a second or two, but I read this account once about two guys driving in a car, and there’s a horrible crash, and the passenger ends up decapitated and his head rolls and the driver said you could see his expression change from confusion, to horror, and then desperate sadness all in the space of around 8 seconds.

That sent a chill down my spine

@LadyFlossieParkingson

Interesting

Re religion- I am religious and practicing catholic
I would want the babies life preserved and would expect the medical team to do all theu could to save baby if i was absolutely not going to survive

But surely God has decided you're dead?.Don't gat the religious angle of artificially keeping someone alive.

@SmidgenofaPigeon

And if you were religious (I’m not) you’d possibly want the baby to be with you in the afterlife? But that means the baby would have to die where it could have been saved. If you believed in heaven would you want your baby with you there or leave it on earth?

I don't think Christians necessarily believe that you are with your loved ones in Heaven. I think that idea comes more from fake mediums and dabblers in the afterlife scam.

Uh oh. You know when you wish you hadn’t read something..

If I died before dh (we’re both getting on a bit) what if he got dementia and some scheming bitch wormed her way into his affections, got him to marry her and then to change his will, leaving everything that should go to dds, to her?

I know someone who this happened to. 😱

Fascinating thread OP.

I never knew about the London underground being built around skeletons, especially Bank!

Also the decapitation one has always intrigued me. Surely, even for a few second, you must still be aware?

I can’t even begin to imagine even being able to stand on my final walk to having my head chopped off! Do you think they were given anything to ‘calm’ them beforehand, especially royalty?

I think worse than being beheaded would being burnt at the stake, although I imagine the smoke would kill you first but how long that would take before the flames started to tickle your toes! awful!

www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/hse-apologises-to-family-of-pregnant-woman-kept-on-life-support-1.4089397
I'm not sure if they're allowed keep you on life support for the baby if DM is clinically dead. Besides its awful on the families to see a loved one fade away on machines.
If they couldn't deliver a live baby straight away I think they'd let baby die.

Hung, drawn and quartered though, who would make these kind of punishments up!

Poor William Wallace

Prefer a swift head chopped off as long as the ace man had a keen eye!

@Temp023

You would actually become the mindless baby growing machine that a lot of people believe a woma already is..

Although you wouldn't be able to do the washing up or ironing

@KatChocolate

Hung, drawn and quartered though, who would make these kind of punishments up!

Poor William Wallace

Prefer a swift head chopped off as long as the ace man had a keen eye!

But what do you think they are thinking when this is happening?

I don’t know where ‘ace man’ came from, should read ‘axe man’!

Icenii, while being hung, drawn & quartered? I think the ‘drawn’ bit would be the more problematic torture. I imagine they’d made sure the person was fully aware, after bringing them round from their hanging, what was about to happen to their insides. Bloody awful and I can’t really begin to imagine what they were thinking. Would they have a sense of acceptance at this stage, would the body release adrenaline so you wouldn’t feel as much pain?

I knew someone who was on ecmo at 25 weeks, she was deemed not able to survive but her family refused to turn off ecmo until the baby had grown a bit. I think the baby made it to 30 weeks whilst the court case was being prepared before mum suffered a catastrophic bleed and died. Baby was delivered bed side in icu and survived.

I know that if a mum and baby dies whilst pregnant the option to remove the baby post birth is given to the husband, it can be done in the funeral home, baby removed and placed in mums arms.

@Posieandpip

Literally no mother would prefer her baby to die unnecessarily with her so they could be immediately together in heaven I'm religious and would want my baby to live and grow up ans join me in heaven later, anyone would.

Also of COURSE the mother would be kept alive jf possible to help the baby survive? Is this that much of a big question? Seems like a no brainer to me, I'm shocked that people would turn off a pregnant mothers life support and risk her baby.

I wouldn't want to be kept alive to sustain my baby's life if it wasn't viable, I'm not sure how I'd feel after 24 weeks please don't assume everyone feels the same way

I know that if a mum and baby dies whilst pregnant the option to remove the baby post birth is given to the husband, it can be done in the funeral home, baby removed and placed in mums arms.

This is so sad 😞

There was a young Irish woman who died at 15 weeks pregnant from an undiagnosed ruptured brain cyst in 2014. She was kept on life support for 4 weeks after being declared brain dead due to concerns about abortion bills as the baby had a heart beat. Her brain liquidfied and started releasing toxins into her blood, her face and eyes swollen and although she was being kept artificially alive her body was deteriorating, her body temp rose to 38 degrees. Eventually it was decided that the baby had almost no chance of survival and she was allowed to die. She had two living children who were traumatised by the whole process and by seeing their mother deteriorating. The family were given an apology and compensation of 150000 euros in 2019.

This doesn't involve a pregnancy, but the case of Jahi McMath is equally fascinating and horrifying. In summary, she was a 13 year old American (obviously) girl who has a cardiac arrest after surgery and was declared brain dead, and a death certificate was issued. Unfortunately, her family didn't accept this - they flew her to another state where family can legally refuse to accept that brain death as death, and kept her on a ventilator, feeding tube etc until she went into liver failure 5 years later, all the while never accepting reality.

Grim.

@DeathByWalkies that is truly horrible. And totally awful of shy hospital in any state to accept that! Did they think she had a chance of recovery or did they just want to be able to see her every now and then

That’s a rabbit hole worth going down for sure, the Wiki article on the above case!

[quote SmidgenofaPigeon]@DeathByWalkies that is truly horrible. And totally awful of shy hospital in any state to accept that! Did they think she had a chance of recovery or did they just want to be able to see her every now and then [/quote]
They perceived her as being profoundly disabled, with a chance of recovery, rather than being brain dead. They also mistook some Lazarus signs (reflexes - such as finger twitches) as signs of consciousness. Different person, but people who are brain dead can move a surprising amount through reflexes

I think a lot of people in the US (especially doctors) were horrified that anyone inserted a feeding tube etc., but if you have the funds (and there's plenty of right to life religious nutters who will donate to a GoFundMe) then you can always find a doctor who will perform whatever ill advised course of treatment you desire - it's sometimes known as "doctor shopping".

There was a woman recently who had been in a coma for 12 months and one day gave birth…
I only hope some very serious questions were asked after that.

@SmidgenofaPigeon

That’s a rabbit hole worth going down for sure, the Wiki article on the above case!

I've fallen down the same rabbit hole!

Another awful but related case - woman who had been in a persistent vegetative state since she was a small child was raped repeatedly by a carer. No one noticed she was pregnant until she went into labour. It gets worse - they think she had been impregnated before, but no one knows what happened to that baby.

www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/us/arizona-disabled-woman-family-lawsuit-claim/index.html
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacienda_HealthCare_sexual_abuse_case

DeathByWalkies I remember that case, horrendous.