To think that all NHS staff must be Covid vaccinated?

[Justecelaoui]

Just that really.

Up to them. They'll have had the offer. If they've chosen not to take it, that's their call.

As much as I support the Vaccine I think it's a human rights issue to enforce this. For example, the Vaccine is generally recommended as safe for pregnant woman but the long term outcomes for babies from either covid before birth or the Vaccine are unknown.

'As much as I support the Vaccine I think it's a human rights issue to enforce this'

NHS worker here and I agree. I don't have much patience for vaccine refusers whether they're healthcare workers or not, but I'm not ok with anyone being forced to have it

We are people with induvidual thoughts/feelings just like anyone else. We are not robots.

The Nuremberg Code point 1. states that patients voluntary informed consent is essential.

So if they want it then yes they should have access to it.

It’s up to each individual to avail themselves of the protection offered by the vaccine and no one else’s business if they want to take the risk.

Living in a society where mandated, compelled or outright forced medicalisation doesn’t sound appealing to me. Bodily autonomy does exist.

I think that if staff refuse the vaccine their contracts need to be amended to exclude the likes of long term sick benefit if covid related.

No, the nhs is short staffed enough it could force staff out that aren’t as easily replaced as people think. I’m happily covid vaccinated.

There is a morality to it with keeping patients/colleagues safe but forcing people to have a very new vaccine that many are anxious about is a step to far in my eyes.

There are plenty reasons why those decline a vaccine. I declined my flu one for many years. I do have it now I’m older but I wasn’t so fussed when I was younger.

No way

I think that if staff refuse the vaccine their contracts need to be amended to exclude the likes of long term sick benefit if covid related.

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I think refusers should have some card to show that they oppose vaccine and everyone else can choose whether they wish to interact with them.

teenageyearswhy should nhs staff not get long term sick benefit if they refuse but other public sector workers still be offered it? They can just as easily catch covid going to the supermarket as they can doing their job. A teacher can catch it off their pupils and then be on long term sick.
Nhs staff cannot be treated differently to the rest of our society. It’s just a job at the end of the day ( a badly paid one at that). We are not martyrs to the cause. I say that as someone who is nhs and has had the vaccine. But we really can’t go down this road. Nhs staff would leave fast including those that have been vaccinated. We are humans, with rights, with family, same as everyone else.

It should be a condition of their employment. Their refusal doesn’t affect them but if you work with vulnerable people, you need to protect them. Vaccines unfortunately work less well in older and immuno-compromised individuals.

I struggle with this because it isn't only the person who chooses not to be vaccinated that's affected. It seems the vast majority of vaccinated people are "safe" but if the NHS is at risk of being overwhelmed by seriously ill unvaccinated people, we'll all be affected by the subsequent restrictions.

However, I don't want Iive in a country where vaccination can be forced.

What about those who can’t have it for medical reasons?

I work for the NHS and I'd be happy for vaccine refusal to be a sackable offence for HCPs. I think it will be for new starters from now in most of the big care home chains.

@TheTeenageYears

I think that if staff refuse the vaccine their contracts need to be amended to exclude the likes of long term sick benefit if covid related.

What a disgusting thing to say. I see the days of drawing rainbows and clapping for the NHS are over!

@Foxyloxy1plus1

I think refusers should have some card to show that they oppose vaccine and everyone else can choose whether they wish to interact with them.

Should they wear a leper bell too? God the shit people come out with on this site,

I will fight for the right of free choice.

I just think refusers are idiots (unless genuine medical reasons of course)

@LibrariesGiveUsPower45321

I will fight for the right of free choice.

I just think refusers are idiots (unless genuine medical reasons of course)

Same

The irrational part of me thinks they are idiots and should be made to get it but the rational part thinks that this is wrong and no one should be forced to have their bodily autonomy removed in that way.

I bet all the people on this thread saying they should be made to get it or sacked would be the first to complain on mumsnet about waiting times in A&E or not being able to get a GP callback. Get a grip.

Interesting mix of answers, personally I am against making it compulsory, as I feel it would infringe on human rights. The government however is considering doing just that:

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-made-compulsory-for-nhs-staff-minister-says-12320679

'A step closer' as care home workers soon to be required to have the jab, endorsed by UK human rights watchdog. As they are working with elderly people, true, but also 'vulnerable people at high risk from the coronavirus', aren't all people going to hospital have some level of vulnerability? They specify 'high risk from the coronavirus, but I suspect that's just the beginning, they'll probably lower the risk threshold and still somehow justify making the vaccine compulsory.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/02/uk-rights-watchdog-endorses-compulsory-covid-jabs-for-care-home-staff

Yes. I don’t know how you can see these things, be traumatised by them and still not want to prevent others from suffering like those patients and their families did.

Personal choice when it comes to your body, yes of course. But this affects everyone. Also you do not have to work for the NHS, plenty of private practices about if you don’t want the vacccine.

You have to have the Hep C vaccine to work in patient facing care in the NHS, no exceptions other than allergies. I don’t see why this should be any different. It’s to protect both yourself and the wider community.

Should they wear a leper bell too?

A tattoo on their face would be better, the bell might disturb patients.