To think that all NHS staff must be Covid vaccinated?

[Justecelaoui]

Just that really.

I'd say that those genuinely unable, including cautious pregnant employees, should be temporarily redeployed wherever possible. In any case there wouldn't be such a concern if it was only people with genuine medical reasons.

How about everyone who refuses the vaccine - nhs staff AND the public - wears a bell around their neck so we can decide if we want to interact with them?

Anyway. I do hope to see the same support for freedom extended to the smokers of Oxfordshire. Where you will be free to breathe in traffic fumes, not have a Covid vaccine, but denied the freedom to smoke outdoors.

The Oxfordshire local government plan really is a blow to freedom.

And also NHS trusts should end their ban on smoking outside hospitals. Staff and patients and stressed relatives should have the freedom to smoke outside.

Thank you @baldafrique and @Iloveyou3x

@Tealightsandd

And also NHS trusts should end their ban on smoking outside hospitals. Staff and patients and stressed relatives should have the freedom to smoke outside.

And it's lovely walking through a cloud of smoke when you have asthma etc. Not stressful at all... What a bloody stupid comment.

I'm a paramedic and haven't had it yet because I'm still breastfeeding and have decided that I will wait until I have stopped. Most colleagues, particularly doctors, are very supportive of my decision.

@Tealightsandd

And also NHS trusts should end their ban on smoking outside hospitals. Staff and patients and stressed relatives should have the freedom to smoke outside.

I agree and I've never smoked in my life (I think it's disgusting).

I think there should be designated smoking areas onsite. There is a time and a place for encouraging smoking cessation and it is not when someone has just been told that their child is dead!

And it's lovely walking through a cloud of smoke when you have asthma etc. Not stressful at all...

No more stressful than being a vulnerable patient 'cared for' by an unvaccinated HCP. In fact much less stressful. The walk through smoke is very brief (and usually in a car park full of car fumes).

Some people seem to have very selective ideas about freedom.

think there should be designated smoking areas onsite. There is a time and a place for encouraging smoking cessation and it is not when someone has just been told that their child is dead!

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No I don’t think we should be be forced to be vaccinated

I can understand why many are questioning how safe some of the vaccines are

But there is certainly lots of pressure to be vaccinated

The idea of the vaccine is that it protects you from serious illness. So the person most at risk would be the unvaccinated HCP. If their patients are vaccinated then they are somewhat protected regardless of whether their caregiver is vaccinated or not.

Those who choose not to be vaccinated, accepted that risk when they made their decision.

There are also HCPs who are also as vulnerable as some of their patients yet we would not ask for compulsory vaccination for patients on admission to hospitals so it works both ways

@sparemonitor

I work for the NHS and I'd be happy for vaccine refusal to be a sackable offence for HCPs. I think it will be for new starters from now in most of the big care home chains.

A lot of care homes are saying new staff must be vaccinated already

@thenightsky I haven’t personally as it’s none of my business but I do know that the mum doesn’t believe in injections as when I had chemotherapy she was advising me to go down the herbal root and not take medication.

Funny thread for MN, a site that normally goes mental about "right to consent" ; there is no concept of consent if you're not allowed to say no.

Bodily autonomy has very strict limits after all.

@Lottapianos

'As much as I support the Vaccine I think it's a human rights issue to enforce this'

NHS worker here and I agree. I don't have much patience for vaccine refusers whether they're healthcare workers or not, but I'm not ok with anyone being forced to have it

Agreed

I want all Waitrose staff to be vaccinated so that I can be safe when I do my shopping!

Jokes obviously but you can’t sack people/stop their sick pay/whatever else the daily fail readers on here think you should do.

I work for the nhs, I am vaccinated but that is my choice!

‘ I think you should resign tbh’

@ChairmansReserve seriously?

@ragged

Funny thread for MN, a site that normally goes mental about "right to consent" ; there is no concept of consent if you're not allowed to say no.

Bodily autonomy has very strict limits after all.

People are absolutely free to say no (unlike vulnerable patients, who don't choose to need hospital treatment).

Equally - because freedom goes both ways - employers are free to choose who to employ.

it's a human rights issue
Absolutely. The human rights of vulnerable patients - including those medically unable to have the vaccine, and those whose conditions make vaccines less effective.

Hospitals have a legal responsibility to their patients - a duty of care.

HCP’s do have a duty of care that is why we are working wearing PPE and following very strict guidelines that for most of us make our work harder

I think it will be a case of new staff having to be vaccinated but I don’t feel anyone should be forced to be vaccinated many have concerns over the safety of the vaccine given how often guidelines have changed it’s not surprising

Absolutely. The human rights of vulnerable patients - including those medically unable to have the vaccine, and those whose conditions make vaccines less effective. Hospitals have a legal responsibility to their patients - a duty of care.

And as had been said?

What about vulnerable HCP’s who are not vaccinated and may be put at risk by patients who haven’t been vaccinated?

Can we demand that all patients must be vaccinated prior to coming to hospital to ensure the protection of vulnerable staff? Or does it only work one way?

@Friendofcheese

The idea of the vaccine is that it protects you from serious illness. So the person most at risk would be the unvaccinated HCP. If their patients are vaccinated then they are somewhat protected regardless of whether their caregiver is vaccinated or not.

Those who choose not to be vaccinated, accepted that risk when they made their decision.

There are also HCPs who are also as vulnerable as some of their patients yet we would not ask for compulsory vaccination for patients on admission to hospitals so it works both ways

What about vulnerable patients who either can't have the vaccine or for whom the vaccine isn't effective (such as blood cancer patients)?? They have the right to be "cared" for by doctors/nurses who don't pose a danger to them.

@ThornAmongstRoses

Absolutely. The human rights of vulnerable patients - including those medically unable to have the vaccine, and those whose conditions make vaccines less effective. Hospitals have a legal responsibility to their patients - a duty of care.

And as had been said?

What about vulnerable HCP’s who are not vaccinated and may be put at risk by patients who haven’t been vaccinated?

Can we demand that all patients must be vaccinated prior to coming to hospital to ensure the protection of vulnerable staff? Or does it only work one way?

Vulnerable staff need to be redeployed to "safer" jobs if they can't be vaccinated.

@Seesawmummadaw

I want all Waitrose staff to be vaccinated so that I can be safe when I do my shopping!

Jokes obviously but you can’t sack people/stop their sick pay/whatever else the daily fail readers on here think you should do.

I work for the nhs, I am vaccinated but that is my choice!

People have a choice whether to go shopping to supermarkets and risk it. They can get others to shop for them or get shopping delivered via online ordering.

Patients don't have a choice. They either go to their hospital/doctor appointment and receive treatment or they don't.

See the difference?