Using God/Christ in negative threads

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Hi all, I’m a long time mumsnetter but finding it hard to read constant threads (as a Christian) that use phrases starting with ‘ for G*d’s sake ( insert some nasty phrase about something) . We don’t accept racist or phobic language so why is it okay to use God, Jesus, Christ etc in these contexts? It’s really uncomfortable to read constantly 🙁

Lord's name in vain that should have said

Cuthbert, swearing is used as an example of being confrontational. The police use it as an example of being confrontational and abusive.

@OhGodNotThisAgain

*Posters wouldn’t dare offend Muslims but Christians are fair game

Have you just forgotten about racism?*

Muslim isn’t a race

You can be Islamaphobic though which has its roots in racism as it’s nearly always directed to brown people. Before you ask Islamaphobia is a hate crime because it is HATEA speech or acts specifically to a group of people. This doesn’t happen to Christians.

@truelystruttinghotpants

Mine is aimed at people who don't understand that the modern abrahamic religions believe in same god.

And no Jewish faith doesn't do Jesus as their faith was founder before then.

‘I just think if people point out they find something offensive we might as well think about adjusting our behaviour. Unless you have a massive moral reason of sort. What is the harm in allowing others to feel comfortable.’

I don’t want people to be massively limited in what they feel they can say, but I do think there should be some commonly shared understanding of courteous speech in society.

I accept that people frequently will mutter ‘oh my god’ and we don’t in most scenarios think they are breaking any social rule, but I rarely hear people saying ‘Jesus Christ’, presumably because it’s not considered acceptable in many more situations.

Islamaphobia is not a hate crime.

A hate crime is where you commit an offence (theft, assault etc) that involved a motivation towards a protected group.

Being islamaphobic in itself isn’t any sort of crime.

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Mine is aimed at people who don't understand that the modern abrahamic religions believe in same god.

And no Jewish faith doesn't do Jesus as their faith was founder before then.[/quote]
We do have Jesus but yes not as the star of the show It is a side add on really.

I just think if people point out they find something offensive we might as well think about adjusting our behaviour. Unless you have a massive moral reason of sort. What is the harm in allowing others to feel comfortable.

Maybe we should do same and make everyone change behaviour so homophobes or racists feel happy.

You shouldn't adjust to make people be comfortable when it's their beliefs that make them feel uncomfortable.

@LibertyMole I think you are confusing a customer who is otherwise friendly, swearing about something, to sweating at you. For example, say you have an elderly customer that couldn't find a serial number the box that he needs to register/use something, and comes back into the store and asks you for the serial number. You point out to them on the box where it is and the customer goes laughs "silly me! I couldn't find me fucken glasses, thanks for that. Blind as a bat I am without them. Cheers!", or something. They swore, but not at you.

If he said, "you are fucken useless! You didn't include the bloody serial number!" - THEN you would have grounds.

An elderly man chuckling about not having his fucken/fookin (whatever) glasses is not aimed at you, not to you, and not confrontational.

There is no way that you would be able to refuse to service a friendly and non-confrontational elderly customer chuckling in a self-deprecatory way about not him being able to find his glasses.

to swearing at you. Not 'sweating', lol, sorry.

We pretty much do adjust behaviour to make racists and homophobes happy.

It’s part of why it is frowned upon to discuss sex, religion and politics in many situations.

If we didn’t have these rules life would be like an internet message board and society would cease to function because it would be so fractured.

We live in a pluralistic society and we have to get along with people who have different beliefs and attitudes.

It is why inane small talk is so common.

Coke, I have already made that point. Of course it is people being confrontational at you.

@LibertyMole

Swearing, yes. Usually directed at someone. But certainly not "oh my god" and along those lines. If an incident report focused on that as proof of aggression, it would be a very weak incident report and very much clutching at straws. I've never come across an incident report that revolved around that, because quite frankly it would be ridiculous.

*We pretty much do adjust behaviour to make racists and homophobes happy.

It’s part of why it is frowned upon to discuss sex, religion and politics in many situations.*

I don't shy away but it becomes heated regularly.

I would consider oh my god very mild and I don’t think the majority of swearing that isn’t aimed at someone is meant or taken to be confrontational or abusive to the extent that it would be involved in an incident report.

As I have said, there is a nuanced middle area between swearing never being unacceptable and swearing always being unacceptable.

I would definitely shy away from many topics of sex, religion and politics except with friends or in situations where I clicked with someone immediately.

But why should you it should all be open

Why should it all be open?

I definitely don’t want my work day taken up with people trying to convert me to various religions or telling me about their sex lives in great detail.

And even with political topics. A very large number of people (probably the majority) want tighter immigration controls. It would be horrendous if it was a common workplace topic, leading to loads of bad feeling and people feeling unhappy at work.

@SprayedWithDettol

God doesn’t necessarily mean your god. It could mean Thor for example. When I say god, it is nondenominational. 😈

😂

the official religion of England is protestant - Christian

muslims, jews and christians have the same god - so there is equal opportunity offending when saying "oh God" .

Jesus is also prophet in Islam - so more equal opportunity offending to be had e.g. "oh Jesus, i just dropped my coffee"

so the assertion that its not done to Muslims doesn't stack up - its a shit argument.

blasphamy is part of everyday vernacular - you are bu

i follow 'God' on facebook btw - he has some brilliant podcasts with satan and jesus and i'm pretty certain he did one with the holy spirit - god interviewed batman the other day and god has a lot to say on american politican issues.

even when i did bellive in god - blasphemy didn;t bother me. but i got over believing in a magic man i the sky gradually ...it started off with me questioning the bibles misogyny - and even when reconciling that the bible was 'of its time' and trying to shake off my concerns, these passages are still being passed off by religion as being true.

but then i was already trying to get my head around the churches failings - pedophilia. rape, murder, shame.

i wondered why it was the place of the church to tell me about my contreception. i had a priest ask me about it once in confession - he asked me if i was using contraception - i was married, i already had a kid and this priest was judging me, shaming me. i dont him my post partum depression was so bad that it was either contraception or i would kill myself. yeah 'father' chew on that.

then i wondered why the church was obsessed with procreation - fucking obsessed. which leads me onto the churches stance on Gays.

knowing lots of gay people, having gay relatives and friends i just didnt want to believe in a god that didn't believe in them.

and all the many lies we tell ourselves as to why this all knowing being lets hurricanes and earthquakes happen.

then - i thought, what kind of all knowing being is demanding we worship them? if they did exist they should be told to fuck off for that reason alone

in short its all bullshit - it doesn't add up on any level

@SinkGirl how do I get my hands on some of these please and thank you?

My parents are Christian so "oh my god" or similar isn't something I ever said when I lived at home as it would be blasphemy to them. As much as it's used as a fairly mild swear word, they still find it offensive as Christians (and they're quite easy going).

While I use it fairly regularly, I try not to say it in front of them as I respect that they don't like it although my mum will use "bloody" occasionally. Obviously they wouldn't say anything or make someone feel awkward if said in conversation (my in-laws use it a lot).

My children had a teacher at school with similar views. A pupil said "god, ..." and the teacher said he found it more offensive than swearing. Ultimately we're free to say oh my god and the like, but I appreciate that it may be offensive to some religions.

@Custardo

the official religion of England is protestant - Christian

In what way, “official”?

The C of E is the established church. They have guaranteed seats in parliament and the Queen is the head of the church.