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To think I should have more holiday?

70 replies

Pepsimilkbottle · 27/05/2021 23:18

I work 4/5 of full time.
Full time holiday is 28 days plus the bank holidays.
So 36 days total. I get 4/5 of that to 28.8 - so basically 8 days bank holidays leaving me 20.8 bookable days.
But I’ve been told I’ve got 20.6 days total until next April, including the bank holidays. I started beginning of April so my holiday runs the full year.
It means I’ve only got 12 bookable days? Does this sound right?

I don’t understand it and no one seems able to explain it to me but I’m going to struggle on that leave with two dc. I assumed I’d have 20 days plus bank holidays.

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Lalliella · 27/05/2021 23:21

YANBU and you are correct. You need to challenge that. Are you sure there isn’t some sort of misunderstanding, like when they say it includes bank holidays they mean it includes an allowance for bank holidays? Have a chat with them!

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Pepsimilkbottle · 27/05/2021 23:22

They said it’s inclusive of BH. The holiday I’ve been allocated.

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fedupandfiredup · 27/05/2021 23:23

@Pepsimilkbottle

I work 4/5 of full time. Full time holiday is 28 days plus the bank holidays. So 36 days total. I get 4/5 of that to 28.8 - so basically 8 days bank holidays leaving me 20.8 bookable days. But I’ve been told I’ve got 20.6 days total until next April, including the bank holidays. I started beginning of April so my holiday runs the full year. It means I’ve only got 12 bookable days? Does this sound right?

I don’t understand it and no one seems able to explain it to me but I’m going to struggle on that leave with two dc. I assumed I’d have 20 days plus bank holidays.

You're right, I think they've calculated it wrong!
DeathStare · 27/05/2021 23:27

Does your annual leave year definitely run April to March?

Watermelon222 · 27/05/2021 23:29

You may lose out if you’re part time but work on a Monday as most bank holidays are on that day so it gives you less holiday to use on other days.

Kitkat151 · 27/05/2021 23:29

You won’t get 8 days bank holidays if you work part time....you will just get pro rata hours

Roodicus21 · 27/05/2021 23:29

Does it not depend on which days you work? So if you never Mondays is that taken into account already?

mrsmalcolmreynolds · 27/05/2021 23:31

You're entitled to 80% of normal holiday and 80% of bank holidays. Exactly how that works out will depend on your working pattern. So if for example you work Tues to Fri, then because a disproportionate amount of bank holidays are Mondays you may have to dip into your normal holiday "bank" to cover those which slightly reduces the non BH days you have to take.

I can't see how that could possibly produce the result your work are saying though!

NeverForgetYourDreams · 27/05/2021 23:31

If you usually work on a bank holiday but your company closes on bank holidays you have to take that day as holiday.

But for example as most BH fall on a Monday or Friday then if you don't work say fridays then you don't have to use a day for that day as you don't usually work.

There is a government website to calculate your holiday entitlement. I just put in 4 day with full leave entitlement and it said this :

The statutory holiday entitlement is 22.4 days holiday.

So you have 22.4 days. My company would round it to 23. Say you work Mondays and there are say 3 BH Mondays then you have 20 to take when you want.

I think that's right but happy to be corrected

Smarshian · 27/05/2021 23:32

Are you sure that full timers get 28 days plus B/H? Just that 28 days including B/H is the minimum requirement and quite often therefore the allowance, which might be why you have been given a lower allowance (although you should still get 22.4 in that case).

NeverForgetYourDreams · 27/05/2021 23:33

I calculated it on statutory which is 20 days plus 8 days bank holiday

Does your company give 28 days PLUS bank holidays then?

NeverForgetYourDreams · 27/05/2021 23:36

"Your employer can control when you take your holiday so they can make you take bank holidays from this entitlement when they coincide with your working days. However, you can't take holiday on a day you aren't expected to work. For example, if you don't work Mondays (the day when most bank holidays fall) then you must be allowed to take the leave at another time."

Original poster
Pepsimilkbottle · 27/05/2021 23:37

Yes it’s 36 days total if you are full time.
I know because when I took it I worked it out as having 4/5 of this.

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LineofFruity · 27/05/2021 23:37

It depends on which days you work.

holiday-calculator.fabmin.com/

That is a useful calculator that will work it out for you.

NeverForgetYourDreams · 27/05/2021 23:43

@Pepsimilkbottle

I work 4/5 of full time. Full time holiday is 28 days plus the bank holidays. So 36 days total. I get 4/5 of that to 28.8 - so basically 8 days bank holidays leaving me 20.8 bookable days. But I’ve been told I’ve got 20.6 days total until next April, including the bank holidays. I started beginning of April so my holiday runs the full year. It means I’ve only got 12 bookable days? Does this sound right?

I don’t understand it and no one seems able to explain it to me but I’m going to struggle on that leave with two dc. I assumed I’d have 20 days plus bank holidays.

Do you work Mondays and Fridays? Tuesday in December is a bank holiday as xmas is on a weekend. Each year changes to account for Xmas.
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Pepsimilkbottle · 27/05/2021 23:46

I feel like the allowance they’ve given me should be plus the bank holidays. Not inclusive of them. Then that would be about right.
However hr were definite that the allowance they’ve given me is total - including the bank holidays. So I have to take 8 days out of my total allowance to cover the bank holiday.

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Original poster
Pepsimilkbottle · 27/05/2021 23:47

However if full time allowance is 36 days total then I should get 4/5 of those days. Which would give me 28.8 days. I can’t see it any other way than that, surely?!

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Drunkenmonkey · 27/05/2021 23:49

They have definitely calculated it wrong.

Runnerduck34 · 27/05/2021 23:51

You need to ask HR for a breakdown of their calculations.
Annual leave pro rotad should give you just over 22 days .
Bank holidays pro rated are just over 6 days, then it comes down to how many bank holidays you use on your normal working days. Depending on your working pattern this can lead to a bank holiday credit to be added to your annual leave or a deficit to be taken from it.
I work in an office 4 days, tues- fri but as most bank holidays are on a monday ( my non working day) I end up with a bank holiday credit as i dont use all my entitlement up on actual bank holidays.
If that makes sense!

Sinner10 · 27/05/2021 23:53

You’re right definitely. 36days leave divide by 5 and times by 4 to get your 28.8. No idea how they come up with their total.

BluebellsGreenbells · 27/05/2021 23:53

Which day don’t you work?

BluebellsGreenbells · 27/05/2021 23:54

If you don’t work mondays it’s probably right

MsHedgehog · 27/05/2021 23:54

Where do you work, as 28 days plus 8 days for bank holidays is very generous even for the city of London. That’s why I wonder if your 28 days is inclusive of bank holidays.

LittleOwl153 · 27/05/2021 23:55

Make sure HR have you down for the correct hours on which they calculate it - and are indeed paying you for the correct hours.

paralysedbyinertia · 28/05/2021 00:03

@MsHedgehog

Where do you work, as 28 days plus 8 days for bank holidays is very generous even for the city of London. That’s why I wonder if your 28 days is inclusive of bank holidays.
Everywhere I've worked in the last 15 years has given me more than the 36 days mentioned by the OP, so it really isn't unusual. The least I've had has been 38 days, and the most 44.

OP, you are right, it sounds like they have miscalculated. I second the suggestion of asking HR to explain how they calculate it, as this will probably make them realise that they have made a mistake.