To think I should have more holiday?

[Pepsimilkbottle]

I work 4/5 of full time.
Full time holiday is 28 days plus the bank holidays.
So 36 days total. I get 4/5 of that to 28.8 - so basically 8 days bank holidays leaving me 20.8 bookable days.
But I’ve been told I’ve got 20.6 days total until next April, including the bank holidays. I started beginning of April so my holiday runs the full year.
It means I’ve only got 12 bookable days? Does this sound right?

I don’t understand it and no one seems able to explain it to me but I’m going to struggle on that leave with two dc. I assumed I’d have 20 days plus bank holidays.

So your employer gives 28 days PLUS bank holidays? That’s generous and not the norm. Why did you think your leave wouldn’t include bank holidays? Did they say that? Was it in the paperwork? Here is the norm:

“Employers can include bank holidays within your minimum annual leave entitlement of 5.6 weeks a year (28 days for a full time worker).

These days, workers have a total holiday entitlement of four weeks (NOTE: this is your 20 days) (to meet the European minimum) plus eight days (the number of bank holidays enjoyed in most of the UK).”
worksmart.org.uk/work-rights/hours-and-holidays/holidays/how-are-bank-holidays-reckoned-annual-leave-purposes

So unless your company has specifically said yes, we have agreed with a union or whatever that we will pay bank holidays on top of the 28 days, then it’s 20 days plus 8 as the article says. But as many have pointed out, even so, you working 4/5, you should receive 22.4 days of 28 days (you work 80% of the time so that’s 80% of the holidays). But perhaps something strange is happening to the bank holidays based on the days of the week you work, as many others have said. Just ask HR - I’m sure they’ll clear it up in about 10 minutes.

The OP has stated clearly that full time staff are entitled to 28+8.

OP what hours do you work? If you don't work any day bar a Monday this is probably right as you are having to take the holiday even though you're not necessarily entitled to them all.

Otherwise, if you don't work the same hours each day you'd be better asking for it in hours.

My holiday entitlement is 25 plus 12 so this isn't unusual.

It shouldn't matter which days the OP works, because even if she would usually work on each of them, she shouldn't have to subtract more than 8 days in total.

The only exception to that is if the OP does compressed hours of some sort, with more hours than a standard day on the days which fall on bank holidays. If that were the case, then more hours would need to be deducted to cover the bank holidays.

@paralysedbyinertia this is quite unusually for most jobs which is why people think she may when got it wrong and are asking for clarification. Most it is 28 including 8 bank holidays.

I work 3 days a week, my full time holiday prior to this was 28 days plus 8 days bank holiday and my pro rata entitlement is 21.6 days so yours should be 28.8.
But if your work day falls on a bank holiday it will come out of that allowance as that 28.8 days includes your bank holiday entitlement.

[quote cinammonbuns]@paralysedbyinertia this is quite unusually for most jobs which is why people think she may when got it wrong and are asking for clarification. Most it is 28 including 8 bank holidays.[/quote]
It really depends on the sector, and sometimes the level of the role. Many professional roles have 30 days plus bank holidays as standard, or 25+8 at the very least - this isn't just my experience but that of my friends and family too. Plus I've been job hunting recently, and always check what's on offer with regard to annual leave.

Of course, lots of places do just offer the statutory minimum, but OP has already stated that her workplace offers more. In any case, even if it was just the statutory minimum, the numbers still don't add up.

[quote cinammonbuns]@paralysedbyinertia this is quite unusually for most jobs which is why people think she may when got it wrong and are asking for clarification. Most it is 28 including 8 bank holidays.[/quote]
It's not unusual at all, it's actually quite low.

I get 33 days plus BHs, so 41 days, the most I've heard of, outside education obviously, is 50 days including BHs, but that's set weeks in 5 X 2 weeks blocks.

So there's no reason at all to disbelieve the OP when she says full timers get 36 days. So she should get 28.8 days if she works 4 days a week and if her employer closes on bank holidays and she normally works that day, she needs to use her holidays on those days.

However if the OP works 5 days a week but shorter days then she gets the same number of days as full timers.

Thanks all.

It is definitely 28 plus 8 bank holidays. Definitely. I’ve checked my offer letter.

I appreciate that I need to take the bank holidays from my holiday allowance but I should still have 4/5 of 36 which is 28.8. Even if I then take the 8 BH from it I should have 20.8 days left free to book.
I will have to take it it up with HR again.

I work 4/5 of full time hours and have a Friday off. I get 25 days plus BH, and I got 20.5 days this year (Jan to dec).
The bank hols will be calculated based on how many occur on your day off... not sure you have mentioned which day you don't work.

If you don't usually work on a bank holiday then you don't have to take a day of annual leave for that day
Eg if Monday's are your usual day off then you don't take a days leave for the Monday bank holiday
But when eg Xmas day falls in a normal working day, say a Tuesday, then you take a day leave for that
This is why it is usually best for part timers to have Monday as their regular day off as they can then choose when to take holiday

I work on Mondays / Fridays so I know that I will need to take that out my holiday.
However i should have 28.8 days total - I think. Even though I’m aware all the bank holidays come out of it.
That should still leave me with 20.8 days. Because full timers get 28 days to take whenever and I should have 4/5 of those. And then 4.5 of the bank holidays. So that gives me 6.4 bank holidays and 22.4 bookable days. Which adds up to 28.8 days in total. I will have to take the all 8 bank holidays away from that but I still end up at 20.8 days.

Are you sure the holiday doesn’t run jan - Dec?

How many hours a week do full timers work and how many hours do you work?

@Fupoffyagrasshole

Are you sure the holiday doesn’t run jan - Dec?

How many hours a week do full timers work and how many hours do you work?

I think this is worth checking, because 20.6 is what you'd expect to get if that were the case (9/12 x 28.8 = 20.6).

On the days that you work, do you work a standard length day?

Having said that, if you were only looking at leave for April to December, you would have one less BH to deduct.

Definitely ask them again, perhaps say how you've worked it out and if it's wrong could they explain why? Maybe they've miscalculated or maybe you are missing something

Just go back to hr with what you've said above and ask them to sort it. You are right.

It’s April to April.
I work 7.5 hours four days a week.
Full time is 37.5 hours for my company.

I used to work in the Civil Service. When I went part time, my annual holiday leave and Bank holiday leave were both calculated on my hours worked, then added together. I had to use my leave allowance for both bank holidays and any other days off that I wanted to take during my working pattern of Tues to Thurs.

BUT I had been advised years before by a colleague, that if I ever went part time, to work Tuesday to Thursday to benefit from the leave allowance. I never understood why at the time but always remembered her advice. It meant that Monday Bank Holidays and Good Fridays were not part of my working pattern. I was off work and didn't have to cover the day from my leave allowance. I ended up with loads of leave.

But a friend of mine went part time and chose to work Monday to Wednesday [I advised her not to!!!]. She never had enough allocated bank holiday leave to cover the Bank Holiday Mondays and had to use her annual leave allowance to supplement this.

Seemed unfair but that's what the rules were. In fact, they stopped people from choosing Tuesday to Thursday as a working pattern eventually!

You're right with your calculations

Hi back to HR with the full time calculation alongside the 4/5 calculations and see what they say.

I think someone's missed a box somewhere in the calculator

@Pepsimilkbottle

It’s April to April. I work 7.5 hours four days a week. Full time is 37.5 hours for my company.

Then your calculations are definitely right. I'd ask to see their calculations so that you can work out where they have gone wrong.

BUT I had been advised years before by a colleague, that if I ever went part time, to work Tuesday to Thursday to benefit from the leave allowance. I never understood why at the time but always remembered her advice.

I work 4 days with Mondays off, I basically get an extra week of holiday as a result of the bank holiday Monday allowance which I can use whenever I want. I'm always telling people to not work Mondays if they go part time. We are spreading the good word

Because of your working days you’ll be in a deficit- you’re entitled to 4/5s of 8 (6) but all 7/8bank holidays fall on either a Monday or a Friday this year so you’ll owe one day from your main allowance

@SquashMinusIsShit

BUT I had been advised years before by a colleague, that if I ever went part time, to work Tuesday to Thursday to benefit from the leave allowance. I never understood why at the time but always remembered her advice.

I work 4 days with Mondays off, I basically get an extra week of holiday as a result of the bank holiday Monday allowance which I can use whenever I want. I'm always telling people to not work Mondays if they go part time. We are spreading the good word

It's not generally the case that you get extra leave allowance if Monday is not a working day for you, just that you get more choice about when you use your leave, because there's less that you have to use to cover BHs.

If your employer is generous that they don't adjust for BHs, that's good luck on your part, but it's certainly not how it works universally.

Yes I do tues-thurs too so I can have more flexibility when I can take my allowance of leave and percentage of bank holiday.

Basically you end up with the same amount of leave if you work mon-wed or tues-thurs per year, just that if you work mon-wed you have to use some of your allocation for the Monday bank holidays.

When there is a bank holiday Monday, I still work my full hours that week as I work tues-thurs. Therefore the allocation I get for my share of bank holidays can be used at other times to suit me.

I think op is right unless you didn’t start right at the beginning of April and some has been knocked off because of that?