To think I should have more holiday?

[Pepsimilkbottle]

I work 4/5 of full time.
Full time holiday is 28 days plus the bank holidays.
So 36 days total. I get 4/5 of that to 28.8 - so basically 8 days bank holidays leaving me 20.8 bookable days.
But I’ve been told I’ve got 20.6 days total until next April, including the bank holidays. I started beginning of April so my holiday runs the full year.
It means I’ve only got 12 bookable days? Does this sound right?

I don’t understand it and no one seems able to explain it to me but I’m going to struggle on that leave with two dc. I assumed I’d have 20 days plus bank holidays.

Where do you work, as 28 days plus 8 days for bank holidays is very generous even for the city of London. That’s why I wonder if your 28 days is inclusive of bank holidays

No it isn’t. I don’t know anyone in a professional job who gets less than 25 days annual leave + bank holidays. I would not accept a job that offered statutory minimum holiday. Fuck that right off!

27, 28, 30 + BH are all absolutely standard.

@squashminusisshit

Same here! 4 days not Monday and I get the equivalent % BH extra to take when I want. It's great!

The way they've calculated it is even below the statutory minimum OP, so it's clearly wrong.

Statutory minimum for working 4 days per week = 28 x 4/5 = 22.4 days including bank holidays. Your firm has another 8 days annual leave on top of that so 6.4 days for you, so your total of 28.8 days is correct.

Other than the fact that Christmas holidays could fall on your one day that you don't work, it comes back to 20.8 days if you happen to work all bank holidays.

20 days + bank holidays is still standard in my professional industry. It goes up by 5 days once you've worked here for 5 years. Your firm is very generous OP, or rather they would be if they actually got it right!

Interestingly 20.8 x 5/4 = 26 days, rather than 36. Has someone in HR used the wrong starting number in their calculator?!

Looks wrong to me, unless the time you can take holiday is not the same as the time you accrue it. We are allowed to keep five days we can use for three months beyond the end of the holiday year, for example.

We have pro rata bank hols, so I would be given 4/5 bank holidays as part of my allowance, if the days i work mean I need to take more than that off I have to take them from the rest of my a/l allowance

I work part time. My holiday entitlement is the relevant percentage of full time. The place is closed bank holidays so these are not factored in as no one there works them. Everyone has however many bookable days plus bank holidays. Someone once said that because I don't work Mondays I should get extra leave when there is a BH but I have never pursued this, I think I'm onto a good deal as it is. These things seem quite complicated when you start digging.

You have to take off 8 bank Holidays, however you are only entitled to 6.4, therefore you owe 1.6 days back. From the 28 days annual leave you get 22.4, then you take off the 1.6 you owe and that gives you 20.8 days annual leave.

That is on top of bank Holidays. Maybe send this to them and ask to explain if they think otherwise.

@DrCoconut

I work part time. My holiday entitlement is the relevant percentage of full time. The place is closed bank holidays so these are not factored in as no one there works them. Everyone has however many bookable days plus bank holidays. Someone once said that because I don't work Mondays I should get extra leave when there is a BH but I have never pursued this, I think I'm onto a good deal as it is. These things seem quite complicated when you start digging.

So when there is a bank holiday Monday, do you work your normal days and hours for the week? In other words, do you not get the “benefit “ of the bank holiday?

If so you are missing out on leave entitlement compared to full time staff.

They've definitely got it wrong.

When I did a pattern similar to this, and needed time off in the holidays for DC, my work was flexible about allowing me to work on my 'days off' in term time which I could then use as days off in the holidays. Hopefully this may be an option for you too.

@Watermelon222

You may lose out if you’re part time but work on a Monday as most bank holidays are on that day so it gives you less holiday to use on other days.

You should get pro-rata holiday hours for any bank holidays that fall on days you don't work.

I work Tuesday-Thursday, and as almost all the public holidays fall on Mondays and Fridays, I get loads of hours added to my annual leave. It adds up to over a week most years.

I get 30 days leave as standard for my length of service, and I "buy" an extra week, so with the bank holiday adjustment I get tons of time off. It sometimes feels like I'm hardly ever there!

@DrCoconut

I work part time. My holiday entitlement is the relevant percentage of full time. The place is closed bank holidays so these are not factored in as no one there works them. Everyone has however many bookable days plus bank holidays. Someone once said that because I don't work Mondays I should get extra leave when there is a BH but I have never pursued this, I think I'm onto a good deal as it is. These things seem quite complicated when you start digging.

Yes you should, @DrCoconut!

For every bank holiday that falls on a Monday, they should add an amount of leave equivalent to 20% of your weekly hours to your annual entitlement, assuming the normal work pattern is Mon-Fri. You should speak to HR.

Loads of employers don't get this. My late DP was a payroll manager and he was forever uncovering breaches of this rule.

It's as bad as being undperpaid imo.

36 days inclusive of bank holidays would be a very high holiday allowance! I am sure there's been a misunderstanding, and that the 28 days quoted to you included 8 days of bank holidays, so your paid holiday allowance is 20, your public holiday allowance is 8, hence 28.

@MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet

36 days inclusive of bank holidays would be a very high holiday allowance! I am sure there's been a misunderstanding, and that the 28 days quoted to you included 8 days of bank holidays, so your paid holiday allowance is 20, your public holiday allowance is 8, hence 28.

Why do people keep saying this when so I the thread are saying otherwise? 28+8 is not very high at all. On the contrary, for a professional role, it's slightly on the low side.

20 + 8 is the statutory minimum, so there will obviously be lots of organisations that only offer this, but it's just wrong to suggest that higher allowances are unusual when they are actually extremely common.

The OP has stated quite clearly that the full time allowance is 28+8. Why do people keep saying that this must be wrong? Especially when the allowance that she has been given is even lower than the statutory minimum anyway!

Weird auto correct. That was supposed to say "when others on the thread".

36 days inclusive of bank holidays would be a very high holiday allowance!

No, it really isn’t.

If you are in a professional role and are getting less than 25 days holiday PLUS bank holidays then you really should have done a bette thin negotiating holiday on entry.

I literally don’t know anyone who has less than 25+BH.

@DrCoconut

I work part time. My holiday entitlement is the relevant percentage of full time. The place is closed bank holidays so these are not factored in as no one there works them. Everyone has however many bookable days plus bank holidays. Someone once said that because I don't work Mondays I should get extra leave when there is a BH but I have never pursued this, I think I'm onto a good deal as it is. These things seem quite complicated when you start digging.

You are missing out big time.....you should get extra pro rata hours for every Monday bank holiday....then you can take them when you want to.... all these stories of people who are being ‘robbed’ by their employers

@MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet

36 days inclusive of bank holidays would be a very high holiday allowance! I am sure there's been a misunderstanding, and that the 28 days quoted to you included 8 days of bank holidays, so your paid holiday allowance is 20, your public holiday allowance is 8, hence 28.

36 hours is not high....I get 41 all inclusive ( nhs) .... my partner gets 42 ( local council)

Days not hours

@MsHedgehog

Where do you work, as 28 days plus 8 days for bank holidays is very generous even for the city of London. That’s why I wonder if your 28 days is inclusive of bank holidays.

NHS and local government all offer in excess of 36 days