Eurovision

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I dont know why I'm watching it! It needs to go really. How are we behind Israel? They're not even Europe!

We would have done better last year with James's first entry according to Spotify, Eurovision crunching of the public vote for the ten countries who held a vote and Netflix's musicologist study.

H from Steps stepped up SinkGirl but as a fan, Bill Bailey would be awesome, why not?! He could do a metal number or Kraftwerk synth

Sorry. Have been feeling sorry for Iceland who would have stormed it last year! James's link above.

Also, if Italy's is no.1 on the continent then it was more or less a shoo-in, same as Lena's Satellite and Loreen's Euphoria. All the radio play makes it no contest tbh.

There were loads worse than us
The girl who sang Sugar? She couldn't hold a tune at all
The we had poundlands Gaga, Billie Eillish and Timberlake
Germany looked like Bieber the Crack years
They were shit.
Not saying ours was amazing but sorry, we know why. It's racism and bigotry at play
And as I say I have no respect for countries who vote for Israel right now
And Ireland needs to take Louis Walsh back frankly

@Tiktokersmiracle
Here we have an example of trying to have your cake and eat it.

On the one hand you complain about political voting and on the other you frown on people voting for Israel.

All the acts you are complaining about were better songs and presented better than the UK's entry. Every one of them had some redeeming quality, bar Germany, which got 3 points.

We have Adele and Coldplay etc so by default appreciate world beating British musical talents.

World beating? Is the music industry an international competition?
The reason British (and Irish) acts are global is that the English language is spoken in North America.

I also believe many continental European languages and cultures including French, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese (eg Camila Cabello) have amazing popular world music styles but again in recent years tend to also like UK not take this seriously as a competition and send in likewise B side clown acts in keeping with the trend of soft diplomacy playing it down to blend in and perhaps not necessarily wishing to be obligated to host the next event should they unexpectedly win.

This is complete and utter tripe.

If it's not political, why is it we all know which countries will vote for each full marks? Ireland should remember that when it screws us for points every year

Oh come on...

Do you want it to be political?
Or do you want it not to be political?
You need to make up your mind.

How do you account for the Number 42 showing for Embers in the UK charts?

And as for those countries who ignored that fact and voted for them, yet didn't vote for us over something as petty as Brexit and vaccines don't deserve any respect.

Is this genuinely what you think happened?

I absolutely adore Eurovision. One of my favourite nights of the year. I am well aware how shit and bonkers it is, and that's pretty much why I like it.

I love the unusual, weird songs, I like the performances that aren't afraid to be different or "out there". I loved the Italian winner but my heart was 1000% with Iceland. Their song last year was absolutely wonderful - this year's wasn't quite as good but still great. Fun, quirky and still a good tune - it's everything I love about Eurovision.

James did his best bless him, and took the result like a bloody trooper, but sadly our song was boring and shit. There is undoubtedly a large element of political voting - for example, there would have been a lot of people from the UK who would refused to vote for Israel on principle.

I would be really sad if we withdrew from it. I'm well aware of all its flaws but I still enjoy it anyway. There's not anything else really like it because it's not just a singing competition. I watched it with my friends via Zoom this year but hopefully from next year we'll be able to get together like we usually do with snacks, a takeaway and some wine.

I should also mention at this point that I don't really enjoy other shows like BGT, X-Factor, Brit Awards etc etc. There's just something about Eurovision which is just so gleefully mad.

It has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the fact we don't take it seriously and the song was shit.

I remember the Bosnia & Herzegovina entry from 2008 better than the UK one from a couple of days ago.

I know we are going to get zero or come very near the bottom and people are going to start spitting feathers, whether its about Brexit, vaccines, or something else, there is always a reason why countries haven't voted for us and its never because we were shit. Which we have been on loads of occassions, including this time round.

I was gutted about the German entry he reminded me of the group the Cartoons. I thought Iceland was robbed.

What we need to do is take advice from this video, do most of it and then we will win

In terms of neighbouring countries, isn't it only Greece and Cyprus that still award each other maximum points?
Oh, and Austria gave Germany two points.
Belarus was banned this year so no reciprocation from the Ukraine.
Ireland did not qualify nor did they give the UK pity points.
Australia didn't either.
The Scandis tend to score each other highly.
Denmark did not qualify but public put their weight behind Sweden (10) and Norway (8). Norway gave 8 points to Sweden. This was reciprocated.
All that said, the new scoring was supposed to offset all that and Greece/Cyprus aside, it feels less prevalent.
Plus when countries share a culture or a language and the song is in their native tongue (less so, this year) you can see why they may be more inclined towards it.

It's just a big political game now. It's fun for everyone to give the UK nil points, the real spirit of the contest ended years ago. If it's no competition we should just leave them to it and channel the money where it would be better used, like the NHS.

@flinginflangin

It's just a big political game now. It's fun for everyone to give the UK nil points, the real spirit of the contest ended years ago. If it's no competition we should just leave them to it and channel the money where it would be better used, like the NHS.

What about all the times the UK did get points and other countries got 0? Was that just for shits and giggles too?

But over the past few years the message has become clear it's not about who has the best and worse song anymore.

@flinginflangin

It's just a big political game now. It's fun for everyone to give the UK nil points, the real spirit of the contest ended years ago. If it's no competition we should just leave them to it and channel the money where it would be better used, like the NHS.

I've heard that before. How did that work out...

How did it work out?

It didn't

@SchrodingersImmigrant

It didn't

Can you give a little more detail? As far as I can see, it’s impossible to tell at this point because we’ve been in a global pandemic which has drained our economy. We’ve had to pay for millions to be furloughed. Had to pay for an entire nation to be vaccinated. Isn’t it a little early to gloat? Surely you can wait until the dust settles and we know exactly the economic implication of the last year and weigh them up properly?

I am not gloating, firstly. Secondly, it has been already made clear the NHS is not getting that £350mil quite a while ago. Nothing to do with the gloobal pandemic (oh how i hate that term now🙄).

@SchrodingersImmigrant

I am not gloating, firstly. Secondly, it has been already made clear the NHS is not getting that £350mil quite a while ago. Nothing to do with the gloobal pandemic (oh how i hate that term now🙄).

How does your second point address or attempt to negate what I’ve said about our (and in fact the world) economy being in unprecedented times with unbelievable pressure? You absolutely are gloating.

Why the hell would someone gloat about underfunded healthcare🙄

What does current economy have to do with a money promise which was already found well before covid to be a lie and not happening?

What I am doing is rolling my eyes btw not gloating. Just so we have an idea of my mood

@flinginflangin

It's just a big political game now. It's fun for everyone to give the UK nil points, the real spirit of the contest ended years ago. If it's no competition we should just leave them to it and channel the money where it would be better used, like the NHS.

What an amazingly original comment.

What does an underfunded health care system have to do with a global economic disaster? What’s it got to do with an entire nation needing to be vaccinated in under a year? In millions and millions of people having to be given furlough money? In thousands of businesses needing grants to keep them going? Really?

What are you on about???
I think you have well misunderstandood my comment. I am talking about the referendum promise which was proven to be a lie before the pandemic... Hence why saying, that has nothing to do with pandemic

@SchrodingersImmigrant

What are you on about??? I think you have well misunderstandood my comment. I am talking about the referendum promise which was proven to be a lie before the pandemic... Hence why saying, that has nothing to do with pandemic

My point is that we don’t know how it’s worked out yet. All the eye rolling emojis and passive aggressive retorts won’t make your attitude any less smug and, at this point, premature.

“I've heard that before. How did that work out...”