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How unreasonable was I? And my Dad (long!)?

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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:03

Backstory-I have a small family. Only child to my Mum and Dad (my Dad is also an only child), my Mum has my half sister from her first marriage-and my Sister has her husband and two adult children. Nobody else really.

Over the years we've gone for various meals out together, like you do, for occasions or as a treat, once this was just my sister, me, mum and niece-but ALL of the other times it has been all of us-sometimes with my Mum's brother who lives in another country but obviously she is not there often.

I have a partner who I met last year. We don't see much of one another, we often work opposing shifts, and covid...And we live a good two hours apart.

I've never had a good relationship. I've never married, no children (over the hill for them now) and I have never had a happy relationship, they've either been toxic in whichever manner they were, or downright abusive (one of them nearly cost me my life). I don't know if this is relevant!

My partner now, I think I will marry. It's so different-so calm, and peaceful, and just lovely. I feel good about this one. Happy-although I have had some issues spring up that I never knew I had (trying to fix)!

Anyway a few months ago my Mum mentioned a new restaurant that looked nice and that she thought we might try it after the covid period has eased. I said yes of course, sounds nice.

A few weeks ago she came here and asked me to look at the menu as she was going to book it. I looked at the menu online-but it came up then that she meant just me, her and my Dad. I think I looked surprised-I think I must have, and I said 'oh just us? I didn't know that, I thought (sister) and (bro in law/kids) were coming too!'
'Oh no, I thought just us!'

I then said 'depending on when you book, (partner) may be here-is she okay to come?

My mum didn't have much to say on it-didn't say no, said something about she may not like the food (she is from a more WC background than me, doesn't bother me and I don't think it bothers her, but it is evident sometimes).

I said I am sure it'll be fine, she may not want to, may not be here anyway!

But it was very casual and my Mum booked the table for three.

Fast forward to tonight.

I called in at my parents to collect a plant my Mum had bought for me (I've quite recently moved nearby).

Conversation turned to this matter and I said 'oh if it is booked for X date, I am not sure if (partner) is here or not.

Dad 'Oh you're thinking (partner) might be coming'

Me 'I'm not sure, I think she's here this week but I will have to check my diary, I can't remember!'

A tirade ensued then-I am trying to remember the exact order it went in but something like;

'SHE WONT WANT TO EAT ANY OF THE FOOD ON THE MENU AND IT WILL RUIN THE MEAL FOR ALL OF US!'

'DID YOU NOT THINK WE'D WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU, JUST YOU!?

I responded(without shouting, I so rarely raise my voice and I could never do it as loud as him)! that no, I didn't really get that, and until quite recently I had thought this meal was for us as in everybody-I didn't know it was meant to be just us 3.

'I DONT BELEIVE YOU!!'

Me You don't have to believe me but, well why would I? Have we ever done that? Since I have been an adult have we ever eaten together the three of us? It's always all of us?'

Mum 'Yes but that's at night!'

Me 'Well, no (mention occasions where it has been during the day and still most or all of us)

Mum starts reading the menu to me asking if there's actually anything on it she'd like, Dad tells her to shut up he's asking me a question.

'DO YOU REALLY NOT THINK WE'D WANT IT TO BE JUST THE THREE OF US! THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FUCKING ANGSTATHON WITH YOU!ALWAYS YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO THIS! EVEN THE **ING BARBEQUE YOU'RE PLANNING HAS ONE (Prior to this conversation I had mentioned I was going to have a BBQ soon, but I did not want to invite a particular (quite distant) neighbour that I talk to because their little girl won't leave my dog alone and although my dog isn't unfriendly, I would feel I had to watch them all day to make sure all was okay, I'll be busy)

I then said something like, 'It's fine, I will come by myself then. (Partner) is very understanding and she may not even be here anyway!'

'HAVE YOU TOLD HER ALREADY?!'

'I think I mentioned something but not when it is or anything'

'SO YOU HAVE TOLD HER?!'

'Well, sort of but months ago and all I said was we might be going to a restaurant at some point-I didn't know when and I didn't say definitely-she'd have forgotten all about it by now!'

My Dad continued to shout, and he is so loud. He's always been the same, cannot make his point without raising his voice. Used to petrify me as a child and has probably been the source of a lot of my relationship problems.

Eventually I just got up and said I was leaving and I don't know what he said as I left but as I left I did say 'I just don't want this, don't want to be shouted at, to be honest'.

(I also said at some point, that they were in a couple and so was I so what was wrong with all of us, but I can't remember exactly where in the conversation I said that so I don't want to imply that I do, it was early on though).

I am not sure. This sort of encounter used to really upset me. I just feel numb to be honest. This isn't really a good thing-I actually feel a lot of numbness where I think I should feel love, I know my partner is wonderful but I don't get the emotional high I should get-I think I've kind of shut myself down over the years.

I appreciate I was wrong to assume it was a whole family thing, but I think I have good grounds to assume that because this has literally never happened before. If my Mum, upon first mentioning it had said;
'Your Dad wants to take just me and you out for lunch when (restaurant) opens again, do you fancy it?' or similar, I would have known it was an 'us three' thing and would have been absolutely fine with it, albeit probably a tad nervous.

But she didn't.

How do I sort this?

I don't want us to not get along. They're both in their latter years.

I also don't know if to tell my partner. I've told her I walked out mid-conversation, she only knows what my Dad is like because I have told her, she's never witnessed it. She asked what it was about and I said 'Something and nothing...' Or such.

As it is, she won't be here on that day anyway.

And I forgot my lovely plant.

Any opinions on any of it welcome.

TIA

:)

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Dishwashersaurous · 19/05/2021 20:07

To be blunt are you parents ok with your partner being a woman. Your name suggests that you are also a woman.

Therefore given the reaction I would assume that they are uncomfortable with your partner

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:08

They're okay on the surface but not sure if they are really. I did mention (sorry drip feed) that they wouldn't have invited my half sister somewhere without her husband but my mum said that yes they would.

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Dishwashersaurous · 19/05/2021 20:11

only other thought whether they actually have something that they want to tell you, even bad news perhaps. That might explain the over the top reaction

ThatIsMyPotato · 19/05/2021 20:12

Their reaction was way over the top. If they don't know your partner that well they could have said something like "we were hoping it was just us three this time to have a proper catch up and then next time why don't you bring her, we'd love to get to know her more". It could be they wanted to talk family stuff, maybe money etc.

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:16

@Dishwashersaurous

only other thought whether they actually have something that they want to tell you, even bad news perhaps. That might explain the over the top reaction
It might-it did cross my mind but then, if my Mum had have said it's to be just the three of us I'd have known and not even considered inviting my partner.
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Stichintime · 19/05/2021 20:17

Sometimes it's nice to spend time alone with adult children. It sounds like a huge drama over something that's supposed to be enjoyable. May be latter in the year you can arrange something and invite everyone.

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:17

@ThatIsMyPotato

Their reaction was way over the top. If they don't know your partner that well they could have said something like "we were hoping it was just us three this time to have a proper catch up and then next time why don't you bring her, we'd love to get to know her more". It could be they wanted to talk family stuff, maybe money etc.
Yes, I am thinking this now.

I kind of want to tell them to go by themselves but I am not that petty-I will still go. I just don't understand the nastiness.

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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:17

That's if I am still invited!

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Speakuptomakeyourselfheard · 19/05/2021 20:19

I must admit that I'm struggling as to why you wouldn't want to go out for a meal with just your parents, once it became clear that that was what the invitation was for, unless there's more of a back story? I would have found out when it was to be, then checked availability of your partner, and if she was going to be with you at the time, perhaps asked my parents if it was OK for her to come. Surely if she lives in the UK there would be something on the menu that she would eat?? As PP asked, do they have a problem with your partner being a woman, assuming that you are too? Under the circumstances, if there isn't a back story, then I'd probably apologise to my Dad for jumping to conclusions, and say that I'd love to go out for a meal with just the 2 of them, if it was still OK, and could we put previous situation behind us, but that's just my thoughts, and I do feel that there may be more to this??

RightOnTheEdge · 19/05/2021 20:20

I can't get over the bit where they think she might not like the food because she's WC!
What the heck? Confused

FFSFFSFFS · 19/05/2021 20:22

Well - I think its clear why you've struggled to have healthy relationships.

That's a pretty toxic response you got there

I actually feel a lot of numbness where I think I should feel love

pop yourself onto the Stately Homes Thread and check out outofthefog.com and prepare yourself for a good few years of coming to terms with the toxicness of your parents and learning to put in place lovely protective boundaries.

And move to the other side of the country with your lovely partner

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:23

@Speakuptomakeyourselfheard

I must admit that I'm struggling as to why you wouldn't want to go out for a meal with just your parents, once it became clear that that was what the invitation was for, unless there's more of a back story? I would have found out when it was to be, then checked availability of your partner, and if she was going to be with you at the time, perhaps asked my parents if it was OK for her to come. Surely if she lives in the UK there would be something on the menu that she would eat?? As PP asked, do they have a problem with your partner being a woman, assuming that you are too? Under the circumstances, if there isn't a back story, then I'd probably apologise to my Dad for jumping to conclusions, and say that I'd love to go out for a meal with just the 2 of them, if it was still OK, and could we put previous situation behind us, but that's just my thoughts, and I do feel that there may be more to this??
I am okay with it, I just didn't realise it would be such a big deal. If it had been proposed to me as a just the three of us thing, fine but it wasn't, and when I learned it was originally meant to be this, my Mum didn't say it was a big deal, so I didn't realise it was clear cut at all-it was a very matter of fact conversation in between talking about other things, and I didn't know if I was seeing my partner then (turns out I am not anyway).

Yes I think she' d be fine with the menu.

I am now kind of relieved that she isn't around too.

I didn't apologise, but I did say I would come by myself, it will be fine. I just, didn't feel I should have been addressed so aggressively, when I hadn't done anything purposely wrong. I guess I feel I am fine to apologise if he apologises for being so awful?

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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:23

@FFSFFSFFS

Well - I think its clear why you've struggled to have healthy relationships.

That's a pretty toxic response you got there

I actually feel a lot of numbness where I think I should feel love

pop yourself onto the Stately Homes Thread and check out outofthefog.com and prepare yourself for a good few years of coming to terms with the toxicness of your parents and learning to put in place lovely protective boundaries.

And move to the other side of the country with your lovely partner

Thank you, I will check that out-I have been looking for online resources a lot lately so I appreciate that. :)
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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:24

@RightOnTheEdge

I can't get over the bit where they think she might not like the food because she's WC! What the heck? Confused
I am not sure myself really.
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WishingHopingThinkingPraying · 19/05/2021 20:24

You sound nice and grounded. It's not your fault your parents are the way they are. They were both rude and unkind to you. Even if it wasn't what they wanted they were aggressive and nasty. And wrong. My parents would never speak to me so disrespectfully or be so disrespectful to my partner.

LeafBeetle · 19/05/2021 20:24

Your dad sounds awful, shouting at you like that. You have done nothing wrong.

Maybe you could go along to this on your own as planned, but arrange a meeting with your partner there too in a few weeks time?

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:25

I also feel guilty leaving my Mum to deal with it. It's the first time I have left during this sort of situation.

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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:26

@WishingHopingThinkingPraying

You sound nice and grounded. It's not your fault your parents are the way they are. They were both rude and unkind to you. Even if it wasn't what they wanted they were aggressive and nasty. And wrong. My parents would never speak to me so disrespectfully or be so disrespectful to my partner.
I did say to my partner that I wouldn't let the CEO where I work speak to me like that, so why should I let him?
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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:26

@LeafBeetle

Your dad sounds awful, shouting at you like that. You have done nothing wrong.

Maybe you could go along to this on your own as planned, but arrange a meeting with your partner there too in a few weeks time?

I did consider this. I don't even have to tell her as I am not seeing her that day, and she'll not be bothered if I've gone there without her-but if I like it I will ask for us to go there one night definitely :)
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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:27

I have to go for a bit now, but thank you so much for all the responses, I will come back to the thread later.

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PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:30

@Stichintime

Sometimes it's nice to spend time alone with adult children. It sounds like a huge drama over something that's supposed to be enjoyable. May be latter in the year you can arrange something and invite everyone.
I do appreciate that-I just didn't know this was one of those times. And I didn't know that's what they'd planned as it's never happened before.
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PremierSmeage · 19/05/2021 20:31

Your Dad sounds like a massive bully.

And it sounds like you're accustomed to being bullied and shouted out so it's normal too you.

I think you massively under reacted.

RandomMess · 19/05/2021 20:41

Why would you want to go for meal with someone that is so angry and aggressive towards you??

frogswimming · 19/05/2021 20:51

How often do you meet your parents? It sounds like it isn't very often and it's a big deal when you do? Maybe that's why they wanted to see you on your own? Your dad sounds very difficult. Could you meet again another time with your partner?

HyacynthBucket · 19/05/2021 20:54

Could you write to them saying something like - it is a lovely idea to meet just the three of us, and I would like to do it - I just didn't realise that that was what you had in mind this time. It is a shame there was a misunderstanding,and it does not help that Dad just shouts when something like happens, instead of talking calmly. Can we arrange to meet up the three of us sometime soon?
Hope it all works out OP.

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