Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

How unreasonable was I? And my Dad (long!)?

67 replies

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:03

Backstory-I have a small family. Only child to my Mum and Dad (my Dad is also an only child), my Mum has my half sister from her first marriage-and my Sister has her husband and two adult children. Nobody else really.

Over the years we've gone for various meals out together, like you do, for occasions or as a treat, once this was just my sister, me, mum and niece-but ALL of the other times it has been all of us-sometimes with my Mum's brother who lives in another country but obviously she is not there often.

I have a partner who I met last year. We don't see much of one another, we often work opposing shifts, and covid...And we live a good two hours apart.

I've never had a good relationship. I've never married, no children (over the hill for them now) and I have never had a happy relationship, they've either been toxic in whichever manner they were, or downright abusive (one of them nearly cost me my life). I don't know if this is relevant!

My partner now, I think I will marry. It's so different-so calm, and peaceful, and just lovely. I feel good about this one. Happy-although I have had some issues spring up that I never knew I had (trying to fix)!

Anyway a few months ago my Mum mentioned a new restaurant that looked nice and that she thought we might try it after the covid period has eased. I said yes of course, sounds nice.

A few weeks ago she came here and asked me to look at the menu as she was going to book it. I looked at the menu online-but it came up then that she meant just me, her and my Dad. I think I looked surprised-I think I must have, and I said 'oh just us? I didn't know that, I thought (sister) and (bro in law/kids) were coming too!'
'Oh no, I thought just us!'

I then said 'depending on when you book, (partner) may be here-is she okay to come?

My mum didn't have much to say on it-didn't say no, said something about she may not like the food (she is from a more WC background than me, doesn't bother me and I don't think it bothers her, but it is evident sometimes).

I said I am sure it'll be fine, she may not want to, may not be here anyway!

But it was very casual and my Mum booked the table for three.

Fast forward to tonight.

I called in at my parents to collect a plant my Mum had bought for me (I've quite recently moved nearby).

Conversation turned to this matter and I said 'oh if it is booked for X date, I am not sure if (partner) is here or not.

Dad 'Oh you're thinking (partner) might be coming'

Me 'I'm not sure, I think she's here this week but I will have to check my diary, I can't remember!'

A tirade ensued then-I am trying to remember the exact order it went in but something like;

'SHE WONT WANT TO EAT ANY OF THE FOOD ON THE MENU AND IT WILL RUIN THE MEAL FOR ALL OF US!'

'DID YOU NOT THINK WE'D WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU, JUST YOU!?

I responded(without shouting, I so rarely raise my voice and I could never do it as loud as him)! that no, I didn't really get that, and until quite recently I had thought this meal was for us as in everybody-I didn't know it was meant to be just us 3.

'I DONT BELEIVE YOU!!'

Me You don't have to believe me but, well why would I? Have we ever done that? Since I have been an adult have we ever eaten together the three of us? It's always all of us?'

Mum 'Yes but that's at night!'

Me 'Well, no (mention occasions where it has been during the day and still most or all of us)

Mum starts reading the menu to me asking if there's actually anything on it she'd like, Dad tells her to shut up he's asking me a question.

'DO YOU REALLY NOT THINK WE'D WANT IT TO BE JUST THE THREE OF US! THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FUCKING ANGSTATHON WITH YOU!ALWAYS YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO DO THIS! EVEN THE **ING BARBEQUE YOU'RE PLANNING HAS ONE (Prior to this conversation I had mentioned I was going to have a BBQ soon, but I did not want to invite a particular (quite distant) neighbour that I talk to because their little girl won't leave my dog alone and although my dog isn't unfriendly, I would feel I had to watch them all day to make sure all was okay, I'll be busy)

I then said something like, 'It's fine, I will come by myself then. (Partner) is very understanding and she may not even be here anyway!'

'HAVE YOU TOLD HER ALREADY?!'

'I think I mentioned something but not when it is or anything'

'SO YOU HAVE TOLD HER?!'

'Well, sort of but months ago and all I said was we might be going to a restaurant at some point-I didn't know when and I didn't say definitely-she'd have forgotten all about it by now!'

My Dad continued to shout, and he is so loud. He's always been the same, cannot make his point without raising his voice. Used to petrify me as a child and has probably been the source of a lot of my relationship problems.

Eventually I just got up and said I was leaving and I don't know what he said as I left but as I left I did say 'I just don't want this, don't want to be shouted at, to be honest'.

(I also said at some point, that they were in a couple and so was I so what was wrong with all of us, but I can't remember exactly where in the conversation I said that so I don't want to imply that I do, it was early on though).

I am not sure. This sort of encounter used to really upset me. I just feel numb to be honest. This isn't really a good thing-I actually feel a lot of numbness where I think I should feel love, I know my partner is wonderful but I don't get the emotional high I should get-I think I've kind of shut myself down over the years.

I appreciate I was wrong to assume it was a whole family thing, but I think I have good grounds to assume that because this has literally never happened before. If my Mum, upon first mentioning it had said;
'Your Dad wants to take just me and you out for lunch when (restaurant) opens again, do you fancy it?' or similar, I would have known it was an 'us three' thing and would have been absolutely fine with it, albeit probably a tad nervous.

But she didn't.

How do I sort this?

I don't want us to not get along. They're both in their latter years.

I also don't know if to tell my partner. I've told her I walked out mid-conversation, she only knows what my Dad is like because I have told her, she's never witnessed it. She asked what it was about and I said 'Something and nothing...' Or such.

As it is, she won't be here on that day anyway.

And I forgot my lovely plant.

Any opinions on any of it welcome.

TIA

:)

OP posts:
PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:56

@frogswimming

How often do you meet your parents? It sounds like it isn't very often and it's a big deal when you do? Maybe that's why they wanted to see you on your own? Your dad sounds very difficult. Could you meet again another time with your partner?
I see them all the time. Every few days at least. Obviously covid happened but even then I'd chat to my mum online/video call her and hang about at the end of their drive for a chat!
OP posts:
PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:56

@RandomMess

Why would you want to go for meal with someone that is so angry and aggressive towards you??
This did cross my mind :( It isn't anywhere near as bad as he has been before either.
OP posts:
PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:57

@PremierSmeage

Your Dad sounds like a massive bully.

And it sounds like you're accustomed to being bullied and shouted out so it's normal too you.

I think you massively under reacted.

He has always been a bully. But then, I've always taken it. I used to cry or become very obviously upset. Now, there's just nothing there really at all. I don't know if that's any better!
OP posts:
saraclara · 19/05/2021 20:58

@Dishwashersaurous

only other thought whether they actually have something that they want to tell you, even bad news perhaps. That might explain the over the top reaction
That was my instant thought too. For some reason they needed to talk to you alone.
PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 20:59

@HyacynthBucket

Could you write to them saying something like - it is a lovely idea to meet just the three of us, and I would like to do it - I just didn't realise that that was what you had in mind this time. It is a shame there was a misunderstanding,and it does not help that Dad just shouts when something like happens, instead of talking calmly. Can we arrange to meet up the three of us sometime soon? Hope it all works out OP.
Thank you. One of the things I'm most aggrieved about is him calling me a liar. He has always thought of me as a liar and I am really not! He thinks I'd always known it was just us 3.. but I really didn't.
OP posts:
Mumoftwoinprimary · 19/05/2021 21:01

There is a reason why you have been in so many abusive relationships. You were taught to be a punchbag as a child.

You need to reduce contact with them now before they get too old and infirm and you feel too guilty to do so. Otherwise your dad will be screaming at you that you are doing it wrong as you give up your life to care for him in his old age.

RandomMess · 19/05/2021 21:06

Please be assertive and say you'll give it a miss after all that nastiness towards you.

Brefugee · 19/05/2021 21:15

Meh. They said from the start they only wanted to see you.

If you think they're not happy that your partner's a woman, why would you want to subject any of them to a meal together?

JackANackAnoreeee · 19/05/2021 21:21

Unless you're missing out some massive backstory your dad sounds awful and both parents clearly have an issue with your partner (either her background or the fact you're gay). If they wanted a meal with just three they could have just said so politely. Why are they so concerned she won't like the food?

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/05/2021 21:23

At the risk of sounding stupid.. what does WC stand for.

Regardless, your dad is a bully and your parents should have been clear if this was a you and them thing, you gave them the opportunity to say that when you first raised the possibility of your partner coming - why on earth didn't they say at the time 'we'd just like it to be us and you this time'. Hardly difficult!

Melitza · 19/05/2021 21:42

If your dad is a bully you have two choices.
Cut yourself off.
Stand up to him.
I don’t think you’ll cut him off so you need to tell him that you will not speak to him if he raises his voice and then leave,
Do this every time.

My preferred action would be to tell him to F off, but I'm older now and can’t be bothered to waste time on difficult people.

tenlittlecygnets · 19/05/2021 21:51

For those saying that OP's parents want to tell her something, they see her every few days - I don't think this is likely.

Don't you think it's more important to mention the awful way her dad spoke to her??

Op, it's clear why you have been drawn to abusive relationships over the years - you have been trying to replicate your relationship with your father, who is a bully who rules by fear.

I'd get some counselling if you can, and read the Stately Homes thread on here, then decide how you want to handle things.

Your mum has chosen to stay with him, for whatever reason. Focus on yourself. 💐

KidneyBeans · 19/05/2021 22:01

Your dad sounds dreadful

I also want to see this menu that's unsuitable for the WC Confused

lazyarse123 · 19/05/2021 22:03

@Dishwashersaurous

only other thought whether they actually have something that they want to tell you, even bad news perhaps. That might explain the over the top reaction
If that was the case surely they would have said whatever it was at home and not in a restaurant.
Cherrysoup · 19/05/2021 22:09

You need to re-train your not so df. Quick and easy way to do this, tell him if he continues to shout, you’re leaving. Mean it and leave when he-inevitably-starts bullying you again when you don’t fall exactly in line with his wishes.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 19/05/2021 22:12

Bloody hell, the my are making a big fuss about what is just meant to be a meal out....granted most of us have not had a meal out in a while, but still! I wonder if deep down they have reservations about you being in a relationship with another woman.

PatchWorkAnnie · 19/05/2021 22:41

mumoftwoinprimary

I do recognise this now. I am with someone who's kind and loving now though :)

I have thought about reducing contact.. I am just not sure.

Random I did think I should do that-as I said upthread it is kind of proving something I guess... But I know it would be blamed on me for being childish

Brefugee not really, they didn't specify.

I don't want to have to tell my partner that they have any hostility toward her but I have mentioned some things over the past year. it doesn't seem to concern her, but I do sort of remind her how my Dad can change within 2 seconds and that if he ever does when we're around, I'll get us straight out of there!

JackANackAnoree they don't like that I am gay really but they imply that they've accepted it. That's how I best see it. Coming out was awful, my Dad told me to stop feeling sorry for myself and making it all about me

I don't know, regarding the food. If I invited someone somewhere and they didn't like the food on the menu I'd expect them to deal with that issue themselves (ring ahead and order different/eat beforehand and just get some chips/salad/a small portion of something they could tolerate/say 'thanks but I'll give it a miss and meet you for a drink afterwards?etc).

OP posts:
pickingdaisies · 19/05/2021 22:42

OP, I know you've been conditioned into thinking you have to just take his abuse, but you really don't. It doesn't matter why they wanted it to be just the three of you. It doesn't matter whether you knew that or not. Your dad was all set up to have a shout at you, he put you into the role of lying daughter because that way he can blame you. You can't reason or prove he's wrong. He doesn't care about that.
So don't try. Walk away every time. Carry on meeting your mum for a chat, but you don't owe him anything.
You. Don't. Owe. Him. Anything.

flashylamp · 19/05/2021 22:44

Such drama

'Oh, she isn't welcome?, enjoy your table for two'

RandomMess · 19/05/2021 22:49

You will always be his emotional punch bag why keep putting yourself through it??

Google grey rock. Certainly my friend has retrained her Mum a lot by refusing to engage with her abuse and drama. She just goes "Cheerio give me a call when you can be civil" and departs.

eatsleepread · 19/05/2021 23:06

I don't believe in partners having to come to every single event. Your parents just want to spend some time with you.
YABU.

Natty13 · 19/05/2021 23:28

I could have written this about my dad. It was always "just how he is". Someone online pointed out once that he managed to have a successful career without shouting at colleagues when they made him angry. He didn't shout at other family, neighbours or strangers so he clearly had the ability to control his temper and chose not to with me.

Once I realised that I just drew a line in the sand. You shout at me I leave. No drama, no crying, no arguing. Just "do not shout at me" and leave. When he realised I wasn't going to spend any time with/have a relationship with them unless he could control his temper around me you bloody better believe he had a miraculous recovery. He still has wobbles (we are v similar and set each other off) but ultimately he hasn't raised his voice at me at all in years and I really appreciate the effort as he is in his late 60s and it clearly can't have been easy to change a habit of a lifetime.

Vivi0 · 19/05/2021 23:35

@eatsleepread

I don't believe in partners having to come to every single event. Your parents just want to spend some time with you. YABU.
Did you miss the part where the OP’s father was shouting and swearing at her, like he has done since she was a child?

OP, I’m really sorry about some of the responses you are getting on this thread. It seems some people only see abuse when it is perpetrated by a spouse.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 20/05/2021 00:46

I wouldn’t go with them at all if my Dad shouted at me like that!

Whatonearth07957 · 20/05/2021 01:08

Sod that for a game of soldiers.

Your DF is manipulating you.
Remove yourself. It wasn't specified as a 'just you 3' meal and it sounds suffocating to be infantised by them like this.

I also used to get treated like this by my parents. If I'm not careful it creeps in again. Those saying you were unreasonable don't get the undercurrents of bullying and emotional manipulation and seeking to isolate /infantise going on here. You need boundaries and follow through. Remove yourself, grey rock, disengage.
Model adult responses.

Feel the guilt and fear then push through and put them to one side. Face things head on. What's the worst that can happen? They may sulk for a few days...don't engage...they slag you off to your half sister... Point out how ridiculous it was and don't engage.

Please don't cave it will get harder each time you do... It's like training toddlers... Now is your time. Stop taking this rubbish. That doesn't mean NC just saying you will leave/hang up/walk away if they continue and then leaving/hanging up/walking away if they continue.

PS your mother is an adult, she makes her own decisions and is responsible for herself. She wasn't sticking up for you she was minimising.