Job adverts without salaries

[jobbingdiva]

Am i being unreasonable in thinking job adverts should come with salary ranges?

I'm looking for a new job for various reasons, but it's annoying that the salary is "competitive". Is it really now, then tell me what it might reasonably be!

There is quite a lot of variation within my industry, but I don't want the faff of trying to find out about a job and then find out it's going to pay less than my current job.

Or am I being like my username a precious diva

Yep, saw a job advertised as competitive, when I asked at interview it was minimum wage plus 10p. Gee thanks.

Where I live, the common practice is to say, "please apply with CV and expected salary". So you have to name the price. It's horrible.

It’s really annoying
For most people, we work to pay the bills so a salary below what I’m currently on just won’t work for me.

I just won't apply for anything like this.in my industry they won't say it on the advert but the recruiter will always give you a number. Anyone that won't is a time waster and won't be wasting mine.

Where I live, the common practice is to say, "please apply with CV and expected salary". So you have to name the price. It's horrible.

In which case I would always go in at the absolute top end based on job description.

Years ago I left an interview half way through when they revealed the secret salary

Oh and if a range is quoted, I assume they intend to pay the bottom of it.

I've had one recruiter ring me with a joke range, I told them to ring back when they wanted a serious conversation. I got rung 2 weeks later, they had magically moved up £10k

I'm casually job hunting now and can't stand it.

That and the question about current salary (which I find is increasingly mandatory to enter on a job application).

I recently applied for a job which didn't state salary... put my salary expectation, and they responded basically saying they weren't proceeding further as my salary expectations were above their budget.

Ummm, why not put a salary range on your job advert to save both your time and mine?

@SnoopCatz

Yep, saw a job advertised as competitive, when I asked at interview it was minimum wage plus 10p. Gee thanks.

This is always the case for retail. The salary is always competitive even if it's only minimum wage

@transformandriseup

YADNBU

I also think job adverts should state the hours required and which days for part time jobs.

If I made the rules I would extend this to include the number of days annual leave also.

Part time jobs always seem to say "must be fully flexible"! Even if the hours are only 8-12, yet you obviously wouldn't be wanting such low hours if you could be fully flexible.

So basically you can have part time hours but you must be available to work any day of the week!

It's appalling practice for equal pay as well as it exacerbates the (gender/ethnic etc) pay gap

People who are more likely to be underpaid/overpaid in their current role end up getting offered or negotiating a similar salary in the next role and move gradually further apart.
It also adds to a culture where no one knows what their colleagues are getting paid so it's hard to work out whether you're all being treated equitably or whether you should be pushing for a bonus etc

If you're lucky enough to be in a position to not need a new job then I'd call the recruiter out on it and make all the above points but it's hard when you're unemployed etc and really need something- and so the inequality continues...

It also adds to a culture where no one knows what their colleagues are getting paid so it's hard to work out whether you're all being treated equitably or whether you should be pushing for a bonus etc

Exactly this too! I've known friends where it's been written into contracts that they can't discuss pay grades, so how do you know if you're being paid fairly compared to a man in the same job etc?

It doesn’t help that salaries have fallen over time. Jobs that used to pay £35-£50K now try and get away with £25K and for that, they’re expecting at least a degree, X experience and the ability to tap dance as well. It’s scandalous really!

It’s standard in my area of work not to include a salary range and it’s really annoying. Essentially it means a couple of grand more than you currently get and as little as they can get away with. It makes me think less of a prospective employer that they aren’t willing to say how much they’re willing to pay.

@TheLastLotus I agree. They ask you what your salary expectations are first to gauge how cheap they can get you!!

showthesalary.com/

Check out this page. It’s not acceptable not to show the salary.

It’s about the charity sector but it applies to others.

I absolutely detest this, it’s code for “as cheap as we can get you”

I won’t apply for roles that don’t list a salary banding / won’t give one when an enquiry is made. If that’s what the business culture is like when they’re trying to entice new recruits, then their culture is unlikely to align with my values.

I think it helps perpetuate the gap between womens and mens pay.

It's incredibly irritating. One thing which I discovered is that, if you search for the job on indeed, and then filter on salaries between £x and £xx, some jobs with "competitive" salaries disappear, but they reappear if you put in a lower minimum threshold. I used this quite a lot to filter out jobs that were aiming at a lower salary than what I was looking for.

totally agree with you. when i was looking for a job i soon learned for certain things to look out for. For me it wasn't just salary, it was flexi time, WFH options that were offered. If it was direct with the company would do a bit of research on glassdoor etc before applying. If it was recruitment agency I would apply and then have a very up front discussion with the agency about what i was looking for. It would shock me that a company would be looking for someone with level 8 degree , 5 years or more experience in the field but yet only offer the bare minimum wage or graduate salary, like come one. Like someone said you pay peanuts you get monkeys . looking for a job is hard work these days to get the right one . Its time wasting i know but if you find out that the job is offering a ridiculous salary just politely let them know and move to the next one, it will work out in the end

@transformandriseup

YADNBU

I also think job adverts should state the hours required and which days for part time jobs.

If I made the rules I would extend this to include the number of days annual leave also.

but if you restrict to 'days' or 'hours required' there is no flexibility

I always interpret these to mean tell us what you are worth and we see if we can accommodate.

I can't really understand why recruiters want to waste their own time, let alone anybody else's, because fundamentally if the salary doesn't meet expectations, candidates aren't going to be interested in the job.

I was looking for a job fairly recently and whenever a recruiter called me to discuss a role I insisted on knowing the salary range first because otherwise I'd have potentially been wasting my time listening to them.

Yes! It's such a waste of time. I no longer bother applying for those without salaries as one has time for this malarkey. Some of these companies end up in third interviews leading you on before it becomes crystal clear they're only interested in underpaying you.
It's the agency way of taking the piss with getting a wide range of candidates for various job rather than for that particular job imo.