To ask what you consider “The North”?

[Hairbrush123]

Just a post about being a Northerner/Southerner which made me think - what do you consider as “The North”? I’ve never had a solid answer for this and just wanted to know the general census on this.

Caithness/Sutherland.

@RigaBalsam

Thats how I see it but would describe liverpool as west mot midlands. Definitely not south nearer North but not actually North.

Liverpool is most definitely not the midlands 😂 Our local news is North West tonight and we are firmly described as a NW city

I'm from the West midlands and always considered Sheffield to be northern!

However now that I live in Yorkshire, I consider Middleborough to be northern!

I used to think anything above a line drawn between Winchester and Bristol.
Then I went to Uni, and afterwards moved to East Anglia.
Now i think north of Leeds.

Anything past the Angel of the North. I have family near Berwick and when I see the Angel of the North I feel as if I'm nearly there (although another 50 odd miles to go)

Anything above Birmingham.

Yes but every accent to me as a southerner sounds northern from the midlands upwards if it's not a typical southern accent, of which there are many.

@Branleuse

Where east anglia level stops i think of as sort of north england

King's Lynn for me!

Who said Hemel Hempstead? 🤣🤣🤣

@funnylittlefloozie

Potters Bar and upwards. The North is a vast and sinister place.

For me, anything north of Peterborough/Birmingham level is the north. Technically midlands I guess but somehow it's the north to me

@shouldistop

Aberdeen

Yep!
All English "Northerners" are "Southerners" to me...

I’d say anything from Moat Cailin through Winterfell right up to Castle Black

@traumatisednoodle

I never imagine any part of Wales to be northern, so I draw a line from the top of the Welsh border across to the East coast. Anything above that is north, so roughly Liverpool/Sheffield and up

See economically all of Wales is in the North. Draw a line from the top of East Angelia to the Severn esturay- bingo

Eh? How is Wales in the north?

um. the NORTH east and the NORTH west...

then the Midlands probably becomes part of the north.

I’m from a very old Midlands family (family house there since at least 1700) but was actually raised and educated in the north, and have lived there most of my life, and the Midlands is NOT the north!

Daft idea!

@MishMashMummy

I’m from the Scottish central belt, so for me anything above Perth is about right.

I’m always amazed at how far south ‘the north’ starts for most people. York, for example, is firmly in ‘the North’ to most English people but it’s only a little over half way up England! I’ve seen Sheffield and Manchester described as Northern cities too

York is only half way up England? What? This York which I’ve circled and which is clearly 2/3rds of the way up? Are you thinking of the U.K.?

From a Southerner, anything above London is The North 😂

@inappropriateraspberry

I never imagine any part of Wales to be northern, so I draw a line from the top of the Welsh border across to the East coast. Anything above that is north, so roughly Liverpool/Sheffield and up.

While I kind of agree with your North of England definition, you can’t include Wales or Scotland in this. They are countries with their own South and North.

I don't think you can draw a horizontal line, but I think of it as sort of South Yorkshire and above. So to me, the top bit of Lincolnshire would be the North (Hull, Grimsby) but further down from Lincoln I think of as more Midlandy. (I think Linconshire is East Midlands, but I'd still think of the top of it as 'North')

I was raised in Cleveland (now Teesside) and County Durham, so I feel I can definitely claim Northerner (although I'm not really - I was born in Cambridge). DH is from Manchester. He is also a Northerner, but not as much as me.

@traumatisednoodle

I never imagine any part of Wales to be northern, so I draw a line from the top of the Welsh border across to the East coast. Anything above that is north, so roughly Liverpool/Sheffield and up

See economically all of Wales is in the North. Draw a line from the top of East Angelia to the Severn esturay- bingo

This makes no sense because a) Wales has its own north and south as I said and b) north is a geographical definition and nothing to do with economics.

"This makes no sense because a) Wales has its own north and south"

Yeah, but this thread is about the north of England isn't it even though OP didn't think it was necessary to specify it.

" b) north is a geographical definition and nothing to do with economics."

That's not really true. The north-south divide is also socio-economic and in that sense, Wales is in the north.

When we were giving directions to our home in the NW we used to tell people to turn off the M6 when you hit the cobbles.

@RigaBalsam

Thats how I see it but would describe liverpool as west mot midlands. Definitely not south nearer North but not actually North.

The map is incorrectly orientated, Edinburgh is west of Bristol on a proper map.