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To think the royal family should end at the queen

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Letshaveablackcelebration · 14/05/2021 06:48

I have respect for the Queen’s sense of duty but I do genuinely believe that it’s time for a conversation about the royal family. Honestly, who cares about the coming King Charles- is that really right? People mostly respect the queen but not the rest of them.

I read this article and I was one of those who thought their interview showed up some horrible stuff- there are clearly issues with the royals

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/13/prince-harry-royal-family-like-being-in-the-truman-show

Apart from all of the drama, I don’t think that we should be funding a royal family with tax payers money when the country is in such a state & the queen is literally one of the richest women in the world. I know royals in other countries are funded differently. The fact that the tories are mooting the idea of spending millions of public money on a ne boat to remember Prince Philip is a classic example.

Aibu?

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INB4 · 14/05/2021 08:22

I think it's good to have a potential alternate source of power to the government.

MargateSands · 14/05/2021 08:23

I love the argument that it’s “good for tourists”.

First, is there any actual evidence that people visit because the royal family exists, or for the history? Isn’t France the most visited country in Europe?

Second, we’re supposed to be a modern, meritocratic, democratic country, not some pseudo-medieval theme park.

Quincie · 14/05/2021 08:26

I think Versailles is teh most visited attraction (not sure in where, France, europe ??) but it was built by their Monarchy. And the Louise XIV story etc is big draw - possibly some people visit De Gaulle's tomb, or Churchill's but otherwise I think it's the Royals and their exploits and buildings which attract the most tourists.

OneFamilyToRuleUsAll · 14/05/2021 08:28

There’s no way she’d have put up with his shit

Yes, nor waited that long for him to choose/make up his mind. It all seems so well-played.

LakieLady · 14/05/2021 08:28

@Charlottejbt

The Queen is head of the Church of England - often on MN people ignore religion - this is a big deal, I'm not sure they can just 'step down'.

Disestablish the C of E - problem solved. People can still believe whatever they want.

This.

Fewer than a million people attend CofE services. It's become a minority religion.

PermanentTemporary · 14/05/2021 08:32

The hereditary principle is ridiculous. I've been reading about the medieval kings, it was more like a violent game of pass the parcel than some mystical process. I would love to see a republic.

Except that Brexit teaches us never to take a leap like that without knowing what you're getting into, and the fact is nobody will ever agree what the alternative should be. I do fear President Farage, President Yaxley-Leonard or President Bin-head. I have read something saying that Charles has plans to scale the whole institution down - that's probably propaganda but I hope he follows through.

I'm another one who thinks the Queen hasn't done a great job, she's just been there a long time. I do think she has tried her best but I don't think the results are that edifying.

AlmostSummer21 · 14/05/2021 08:32

I think a lot of people don't realise how much they do actually do that other people would have to do if the RF didn't do it!

It would cost us a lot more to have a different head of state/president etc

PLUS the RF bring in HUGE amounts of tourist £££££. Another head of state would not. The country 'purse' would suffer, but so would many many businesses who rely on tourism.

Some people really don't understand how it works & only see the 'privilege'. It's incredibly short sighted.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 08:38

Harry talking about breaking family cycles in US - being discussed on radio atm

MargateSands · 14/05/2021 08:41

It would be cheaper to abolish parliament and elections and appoint someone dictator for life. So let’s do that if all we’re bothered about is one system costing less than the other.

OneFamilyToRuleUsAll · 14/05/2021 08:41

Ah, right. All the other countries with Heads of States are doing so much worse economically than the UK then. The RF is the thread that holds us all in place, without them we'll eventually cease to exist for lack of funds. Got it.

Say, where does all the £££££ they generate go? One would think we'd be so much richer for it. If we're still struggling with the same issues other countries are, what with our RF-generated wealth, then there's no difference.

Smashingorbs · 14/05/2021 08:42

Interesting voting at 49% YABU and 51% YANBU so far. It's close!

I love all the marching bands and the historical/ceremonial aspects and the odd wedding as a spectacle, but I am uneasy about the way monarchy embeds privilege and "favours" within the structures of British society.

I read some of the diary extracts of Alan Duncan, a former minister in the FO that were published in the press recently, and I was shocked at how many items on his agenda involved one member or another of the RF. He was frequently involved in briefing Charles on a visit to Morocco or William off somewhere else. I forget now but it seemed liked there were three a week! Although the crown has few constitutional powers; it certainly does have soft diplomatic influence. Maybe that's all to the good if they are used on behalf of the UK but the Queen has some uncomfortable alliances with leaders of countries such as the UAE www.bbc.com/news/uk-54694440.

And of course there is the question of the succession. I feel sorry for Charles really. Who would want to inherit the role of Monarch in their seventies? Does he have the right character for the job? It's said he works hard, but he lives very extravagantly by all accounts.

I'm not sure but I have a hunch there are still a lot of people of my generation who still identify themselves as "Team Diana" and they may make their views known when the time comes for him to succeed. I think the RF behaved unjustly towards her after she had steered them towards more relevant charity work (HIV, leprosy etc) for which , according to her former aide, she was asked why she couldn't support "nicer" causes like "animal charities". Also, I do not think Charles hiring a PR company for thousands of pounds to polish Camilla's image, which did so by smearing Diana's, was particularly edifying. I think we can see the legacy of those actions playing a part in his fractured relationship with Harry now.

I think the Queen has miscalculated by not abdicating sooner. She no doubt did so out of a sense of duty but all these recent "issues" are a sign of her grip at the top loosening. And by staying for so long and changing so little (she had to be dragged kicking and screaming to increase her Inland revenue payments) the crown has not modernised or slimmed down. Her demeanour belongs to a different age. I don't understand why when the now, very dignified, Princess Beatrix of The Netherlands was serving as Queen, she happily allowed people to shake her hands, got stuck in to bread making with the scouts , and ate the odd slice of cake, our Queen is "too regal" to do the same. And being seen driving to church with Prince Andrew by her side, at the time of the Emily Maitlis interview, was very ill advised.

But my biggest objection to the Monarchy currently is the ridiculous number of properties and estates they own which imho is completely inappropriate in this day and age:

www.veranda.com/luxury-lifestyle/g27044934/royal-family-homes/

In summary: radically, radically slim down or get shot entirely.

And I didn't used to think so, but if is crowned, Charles needs to serve a "representative" year or so before swiftly abdicating in favour of Wills and Kate, the latter being a huge asset to the family.

OneFamilyToRuleUsAll · 14/05/2021 08:42

@MargateSands

It would be cheaper to abolish parliament and elections and appoint someone dictator for life. So let’s do that if all we’re bothered about is one system costing less than the other.
Indeed.
JingsMahBucket · 14/05/2021 08:45

the Commonwealth would get a say and I doubt that they'd agree to get rid of them.

😂😂 Have you ever talked to anyone from the commonwealth? Especially the brown folks?

trockodile · 14/05/2021 08:45

I think that Harry has a point about the Truman Show, and i think that any other baby having their entire future life/career planned out from -not even birth, conception-would be routinely condemned by mumsnet.

Frezia · 14/05/2021 08:47

There's an interesting book by Norman Baker "And what do you do?" Quite shocking all the ways that the royal family sponges off the public and constantly tries to play the system and grab more public funds and hidden power - starting from the queen herself. The tourism argument is negl

Smashingorbs · 14/05/2021 08:48

Oops - sorry I posted those stats the wrong way around!

Frezia · 14/05/2021 08:50

*negligible, France takes in most of the income from tourism associated with royal palaces and culture. There's no justification for the royal family, certainly not the way they are set up now and the status they have. If they were more like European royals, with a lot more obligations to the public and less access to public funds, influence and executive power, then maybe.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 14/05/2021 08:52

I'd rather have a monarchy than a second politician

Smashingorbs · 14/05/2021 08:53

Ooh err - voting has reached 50%-50% now!

OneFamilyToRuleUsAll · 14/05/2021 08:56

Same corruption but Monarchy is worse because you can criticise them all you want but you can't elect or remove them every few years. Talk about a system of quiet/secret/lite dictatorship.

Inthesameboatatmo · 14/05/2021 08:58

Completely agree

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2021 08:59

@trockodile

I think that Harry has a point about the Truman Show, and i think that any other baby having their entire future life/career planned out from -not even birth, conception-would be routinely condemned by mumsnet.
I understood his comments wrt his position

It’s interesting his brother is going on the opposite direction and using the children as part of the royal brand, by using produced videos on SM

OrchestraOfWankery · 14/05/2021 09:00

@Fairyliz

A quick google says they cost the U.K. £69 million last year so just over £1 per head of population.

I’m happy to pay that for the entertainment value, who would we have talked about in 2020 if not them? Grin

Agree! plus I love the (normal times) pageantry. It's a connection with our history.
babbaloushka · 14/05/2021 09:01

Agree, as long a Buckingham Palace gets turned into a Tim Martin-less Wetherspoons.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 14/05/2021 09:04

Nah, I think it should carry on so bratty Harry can seethe even more.

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