To think the royal family should end at the queen

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I have respect for the Queen’s sense of duty but I do genuinely believe that it’s time for a conversation about the royal family. Honestly, who cares about the coming King Charles- is that really right? People mostly respect the queen but not the rest of them.

I read this article and I was one of those who thought their interview showed up some horrible stuff- there are clearly issues with the royals

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/13/prince-harry-royal-family-like-being-in-the-truman-show

Apart from all of the drama, I don’t think that we should be funding a royal family with tax payers money when the country is in such a state & the queen is literally one of the richest women in the world. I know royals in other countries are funded differently. The fact that the tories are mooting the idea of spending millions of public money on a ne boat to remember Prince Philip is a classic example.

Aibu?

@Roussette

So we're all 'leftie?!

Pretty close vote wouldn't you say?

If you're going to quote my posts, at least have the decency to not cherry-pick the bits that suit your agenda.

Yeah I said,

Even with it being more leftie on here, more people are voting to keep the Royal family...

I ALSO said... (directly after that.)

Although, having said that, I am starting to notice a shift on here, over this past year or so. More and more people are moving away from the leftie views. There are more centrist views on here these days.

As I said, don't cherry-pick peoples posts to suit your agenda, it makes you look very silly, and like you are using underhand tricks in order to make yourself look correct. Bad form, and not cool.

ALSO, re @Lizzie523's post

Laugh at the loud at the YABU result. If only you could do the same poll in Scotnet.

Funny how the poll result - more for YABU, (ergo keep the Royal family,) is only ridiculous, and worth laughing at, when the result doesn't suit you.

Same with @StoneofDestiny's posts. A few posters have said 'what GREAT POSTS!' Again, they're only GREAT POSTS if someone is saying what you want to hear, and if it's something you agree with. I don't think their posts are 'great' at all.

The Royal family are here to stay, suck it up buttercups!

@StoneofDestiny great post! All of that. I totally agree.

Disagree

The Royal family are here to stay, suck it up buttercups!

As I’ve said upthread, I’d be very interested to pick up the discussion about public opinion 5 years into Charles reign.

It’s clear that many are supportive of Elizabeth Windsor as head of state. Whether this is actually support for monarchy remains to be seen.

As I said, don't cherry-pick peoples posts to suit your agenda, it makes you look very silly, and like you are using underhand tricks in order to make yourself look correct. Bad form, and not cool

Gosh.
I apologise. I posted quickly, that's all.
I didn't mean to cause such upset.

(p.s. I've never been cool. Ever!)

Vive la Republic!

@Roussette

As I said, don't cherry-pick peoples posts to suit your agenda, it makes you look very silly, and like you are using underhand tricks in order to make yourself look correct. Bad form, and not cool

Gosh.
I apologise. I posted quickly, that's all.
I didn't mean to cause such upset.

(p.s. I've never been cool. Ever!)

Probably a bit of an over reaction from me maybe.

But I just get really pissed off when people do this. Cut and paste the bit of someone's post (and sometimes take it out of context,) to make it suit their agenda.

Yes, I understand, because I get pissed off with it too! I remember copying and pasting it and should've read your post more carefully.

It could be that there is a different model of Monarchy that isn’t funded by public money though- the queen owns half the country so surely they can pay their own way?

Yes. In the Netherlands the royal family are normal people with jobs and their children attend state schools (that would never happen here obvs but it shows that you can have a royal family without it costing an arm and a leg). Their royals even look normal - none of that inbred look that characterises ours.

The vote is way closer than I expected, which is positive.

In a modern, democratic society the people should choose their own head of state. I would support the abolition of the monarchy, the nationalisation of all its assets and its replacement with an elected figurehead president with a mainly ceremonial role, as in Ireland or Germany. Someone like Mrs Catherine Mountbatten-Windsor, as she would then be known, might be an ideal candidate.

Whatever happens in the U.K., it’s highly likely that Australia, NZ & Canada will sack the monarchy when the Queen dies.

I'm completely over having a royal family. I can't stand it and loathe hearing anything about them.

The sheer wealth and privilege that we as a society support, with our money and attention, is astonishing.

No wonder they are good for tourism. People must wonder at the attitudes of a country who can see children living in poverty, while simultaneously supporting one extremely wealthy family.

I think the last thing we need at the moment is another referendum and more instability. I'm ambivalent about the royal family - part of me likes the history and pageantry but I'm increasingly seeing a shadier side of it. But overall I think it's best for the country to stick with it for now, anything else will turn into another divisive running sore, not to mention the sheer logistics of it. Just no.

The vote is 52:48 at the moment- the numbers of doom!!

I have no particular liking or interest in the royal family.

In the end I think it's better the devil you know.

A president would end up being linked to politics. No way not I reckon.. How are the candidates selected? Then even more bloody electioneering.

And who could we end up with? God knows. President Nigel farage?! I mean who the fuck knows who would be eligible etc. We got Boris as prime minister and whatever you think of him, he's not exactly got diplomatic statesman stamped all over him.

So I'm meh and in the end think if we've got to have a figurehead to meet loads of people they have no interest in and be nice at them then the royals have plenty of experience.

In the past we've had monarchs who were all sorts of unsuitable and we're still here.

The cost of changing it all would be immense.

And all the paraphernalia would prob need to be mothballed. The older I get I move more from not giving a fuck to quite liking the overblown pomp and ceremony, giant crowns and whatnot

I mean Nigel boshing about the place with a giant crown on in a fancy ancient horsedrawn carriage is a hard no from me

And who could we end up with? God knows. President Nigel farage?!

Honestly, this argument is so tired.

Have a look at the type of people that get elected to the Irish presidency. If they can do it, what not the UK?

At an absolute minimum it's a totally bonkers way to raise children. How could you not turn into a dysfunctional adult is beyond me.

I don't think ending the monarchy would happen anytime soon (or possibly ever. Shrugs because I don't really care - I only speak about the hypocrisy of it) but people talk about ending up with a president, like it would be a huge change.

Isn't this what we have now, in some way? Are we going to have a president and a prime minister or just continue with the prime minister or simply change the title from prime minister to president?

It's essentially the same as what we have now in terms of who will run the country except, no figure head. So there's no huge switch.

We end up with who we vote in, whether we keep the monarchy or not. And they leave when we vote someone else in, unlike the monarchy.

The Keating 5 have you seen some of the decisions we've made recently

The USA ended up with trump. Why not king nige 🤣🤣🤣

Definitely agree.
I think H &M are on a mission to take down the monarchy. H because he thinks it will free his dad and brother as they are trapped.
Meg because she tried to take over the monarchy and failed.

The Keating 5 have you seen some of the decisions we've made recently

You’ve never voted for a head of state before, in fairness.

The US model of presidency is radically different to the Irish one. The president is a figurehead in Ireland, similar to the role of the current queen. They don’t have a lot of hard political power and therefore that influences the type of person it attracts. Presidential models are very varied, it’s worth bearing that in mind.

@TheKeatingFive

The Keating 5 have you seen some of the decisions we've made recently

You’ve never voted for a head of state before, in fairness.

The US model of presidency is radically different to the Irish one. The president is a figurehead in Ireland, similar to the role of the current queen. They don’t have a lot of hard political power and therefore that influences the type of person it attracts. Presidential models are very varied, it’s worth bearing that in mind.

Yes. I think a non-executive presidency like Ireland would be the one to aim for, not an executive presidency as in France or the US.

One family you'd have to come up with a whole new system for how they get chosen and who could be nominated and the extra voting and campaigning and all of that.

You'd have to rewrite loads of stuff- the 'crown' and words referring to it would need to be removed from all laws and who has what power etc.

The head of state theoretically leads the armed forces, they are head of the c of e. They are able again in theory to refuse a prime minister and to veto laws. They are head of loads of other countries so my assumption is we'd be expected to help them change all their constitutions laws etc etc and if we refused it would really not go down well potentially losing goodwill/ bringing hostility from a lot of countries.

There's loads more.

It would cost a bomb. No more of the sort of ceremonial stuff that loads of people over the world really do love. Mothball everything. Need to buy new fancy stuff for the new head which was up to the standard of the historical stuff.

I don't think the public would vote for it. I don't think a vote would be offered unless it's Revolution time. Can't see that happening really.

I'm just meh.

As I've just mentioned our head of state currently and not exercised for years. But they do have massive power on paper.

At least President Farage could be democratically removed every 4 or 5 years (not to mention he'd have to get elected first, he never even managed to become an MP, not for the lack of trying).
We could've easily ended up with King Andrew, now that's a horror story. And we'd have to sing "god save our gracious king" and bow to paedo Andy until the end of his days.