To think the royal family should end at the queen

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I have respect for the Queen’s sense of duty but I do genuinely believe that it’s time for a conversation about the royal family. Honestly, who cares about the coming King Charles- is that really right? People mostly respect the queen but not the rest of them.

I read this article and I was one of those who thought their interview showed up some horrible stuff- there are clearly issues with the royals

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/13/prince-harry-royal-family-like-being-in-the-truman-show

Apart from all of the drama, I don’t think that we should be funding a royal family with tax payers money when the country is in such a state & the queen is literally one of the richest women in the world. I know royals in other countries are funded differently. The fact that the tories are mooting the idea of spending millions of public money on a ne boat to remember Prince Philip is a classic example.

Aibu?

It will probably have Chinese words.

Say what? 😳

Great post from MarieIVanArkleStinks, couldn’t agree more.

If it is 50/50 on MN then the general public will vote for the monarchy to remain. No need for a referendum!

The interesting thing will be where is public sentiment 5 years into Charles’ reign?

The majority of the general public couldn't give a toss either which way, the turnout of any referendum on the subject would be ridiculously low.

For most people, the royals just exist and that is the extent to which they care.

I don’t think that is the case (that the public don’t care) when the public cost is so very high and many people have financial problems.

I hope they continue....

My hunch is William will ascend the throne. A wish? Maybe?

I think if they can move with the times successfully, they will endure.

I'm not so keen on an elected head of state.

Great post MarieIVanArkleStinks

And the national anthem is such a dirge isn't it?

It will probably have Chinese words.

Say what?

TheKeatingFive, I think this is a reference to the strange argument monarchists sometimes use that if we choose to rid ourselves of the monarchy we'll fall victim to despotic rule, the like of which is seen in China and North Korea.

That's a line trotted out frequently, despite the fact that some of the most successful, advanced societies on the face of this globe are republics and some of the most autocratic, draconian ones, monarchies (cf. Saudi and Jordan). Doesn't hold water at all.

I think UrAWizHarry has it. The ardently pro-royalists, or on the other hand republicans like me, are very likely in a minority. The majority are probably apathetic, or think there are more important, pressing issues to deal with, that the Windsors are irrelevant to their lives, and who don't care whether they are there or not.

But apathy also has its place. You have to think this will sound the death knell sooner or later. I think there will be some interesting questions asked when the current incumbent goes.

The tabloids would definitely whip up a storm about the referendum, voice of the people, liberal elite republicans etc and despite Murdoch's loathing of the Royals and the hereditary principle, which of course he follows 100% in his own business, if still alive he would get his papers to put the boot into the opposing voice. I still bear the scars of the republican vs royals debate on ITV a few years ago (God, probably 20 years ago now) which was an utter shit show apparently held in a warehouse that nobody came out of looking good, particularly the sound engineers.

I think there is a huge underestimate of the 'soft approval' of the Royals engineered over decades by some really quite intelligent PR and in some ways by a real connection to a sense of identity.

I’ve not sung the National Anthem, even once, in my adult life. Why on earth would any normal, sane, person sing about God granting one woman an even longer life so she can “reign over” the rest of us poor peasants? No thanks.

The CCP have been very busy infiltrating British firms, British business, British schools and British institutions. I think they would love a way into Buckingham Palace.

The income from the crown lands is given to the government and 25% is given back to the queen for living expenses etc. On that basis if the monarchy was abolished then the income would revert to the family and the country would be worse off. I could be wrong of course. Also I like having a non-political head of state.

My hunch is William will ascend the throne. A wish? Maybe?

You do realise that’s the exact opposite of the monarchical system

I also hate the President Blair argument. We’d only get a President Blair if we were stupid enough to vote for one. And even then, we wouldn’t be committed to him for life and certainly not President Euan Blair then President whatever Blair for ever and ever.

If we actually saw ourselves as deserving of someone decent we could elect them. And if they did a crap job we could get rid of them. It’s radical I know - but I think other countries call it democracy.

@SlowlyThenQuickly

The CCP have been very busy infiltrating British firms, British business, British schools and British institutions. I think they would love a way into Buckingham Palace.

Sure. Sure. And all that stands in their way is a 95 year old woman, Daniel Craig and a load of small yappy dogs.

My hunch is William will ascend the throne. A wish? Maybe?

He can’t unless Charles predeceases the Queen. That’s how monarchy works - we subjects don’t have any choice in it.

Sure. Sure. And all that stands in their way is a 95 year old woman, Daniel Craig and a load of small yappy dogs.

The random 'Daniel Craig' made me 😄

Or perhaps I'm missing a reference.

@OneFamilyToRuleUsAll

Sure. Sure. And all that stands in their way is a 95 year old woman, Daniel Craig and a load of small yappy dogs.

The random 'Daniel Craig' made me 😄

Or perhaps I'm missing a reference.

Olympics 2012 opening ceremony, Queen's cameo with Daniel Craig

Ok, re-designing the stamps probably wouldn't be a huge problem, given the RM produces fancy commemorative ones for this & that several times a year .

& that erm, new coins & stamps happen every time a new monarch ascends anyway...

Around the time of my birth, the U.K. switched to an entirely updated currency. When I was in secondary school, I still not infrequently found old shillings mixed in with my 5p coins (they were worth the same & interchangeable).

So I reckon we'd manage...

(& let's face it, postal stamps & hard currency are very much in decline anyway).

Dismantling the entire basis of the U.K. political & legal system & over a thousand years of its entrenchment, now, that might be a bit fiddly.

Ah, thanks @jaguarsearlobes. Just watched it.

Posters saying... but we can visit Buckingham Palace! So flipping what!

What about the other 26 Royal residences. These are, apart from a couple, massive castles and estates, and enormous swathes of land. The cost in maintaining these must be massive, and borne by us.
It is really quite obscene.

There has to be change. Give some of those properties to the NT or the people. Open them up, let us go round them.

How one family, and not a big family, can hold all of this is just beyond me. It really is.

Slimming down needed big time.
Feast your eyes on this map... who on here can justify that?

@Wannakisstheteacher

I’ve not sung the National Anthem, even once, in my adult life. Why on earth would any normal, sane, person sing about God granting one woman an even longer life so she can “reign over” the rest of us poor peasants? No thanks.

Yes. Come to think of it it’s arguably a bit like North Korea or Putin light version and all that taken for granted propaganda and not knowing anything else. Though I suspect Putin and Kim don’t permit subjects such freedoms of opt out ruler worship.

So this debates turns predictably into democracy and associated humanity equality and fairness necessities versus traditional colonial legacy heritage. I gather rewards based on merit with options via democratic accountability rights is preferable to putting up with a falling dysfunction legacy system especially given the very recent direct media public relations/propaganda campaigns as with fresh recent out of the blue YouTube and podcasts publicity from family members insitu and exile overseas etc all trying to explain and further commoditise the brand as if fit for Netflix. As a certain member has just said from far away la la land - if the legacy system is broken then it’s time to stop and fix it. Well not quite those exact words but the sentiments seems very current and necessary. We can all fix the past mistakes going forward. For the many or just for the very select few? Perhaps put it to the people - Royxit: yes or no?!

I read the thread title as saying they should “end the queen” and thought it was a bit much...

Yeah the Meg and Harry thing ruined it for me. I used to support the whole Royal idea but those two just had so much, then threw it away and if they had quietly gone and restarted their lives I’d honestly be happy for them, but with what is currently playing out it is ridiculous. If they had just left and maybe done one interview in a few years just saying they found it hard, wanted a break away, wanted to raise their family differently whatever and just moved on then fine. All good. But all this. No. And the royals won’t shut them down by taking their titles and privileges away. I’m done and I’m out thinking they need to stay around. They lost my respect. So no, I think they all ought to go.

For those who think william will be on the throne when the Queen dies? No. Charles will be there for a long time. Good luck with that.

I’d like to keep the royal family thanks.