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Photo ID needed to vote? Please no.

544 replies

flashbac · 10/05/2021 11:00

The government are bringing in (photo) voter ID meaning you'll need to show your passport or driving licence when going to cast your vote.

By all means reform the postal voting system but not this. Not everyone drives or goes abroad and this will bar many people from voting. Driving licences and passports are not cheap.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/10/queens-speech-photo-id-future-elections-social-care?

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 11/05/2021 21:25

So if you lose your ID card, you could easily have your identity stolen...
It even passports have that much information on it.

Not really because you report it and card is marked invalid in a system. You also have to show that id when you wnat something like a loan so pic must match. Plus let's not pretend identity fraud isn't rife in the UK. We shouldn't have letters then. Because if someone gets your letter they can do atuff with it🤷🏻

The "buts" are ridiculous.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 11/05/2021 21:27

Seriously. The fact that you epiple cannot imagine to work and not be a dictatorship doesn't mean Id's don't work🤷🏻

ichundich · 11/05/2021 21:30

It's purely to disenfranchise voters. That together with the Tories pushing ahead with changes for council elections from PP to FPTP will mean that Britain is moving further and further away from a democracy and towards and one-party autocratic state.

DynamoKev · 11/05/2021 21:33

Plus let's not pretend identity fraud isn't rife in the UK
Define "rife" please, along with how an ID card would help.

00100001 · 11/05/2021 21:41

@SchrodingersImmigrant

*So if you lose your ID card, you could easily have your identity stolen... It even passports have that much information on it.*

Not really because you report it and card is marked invalid in a system. You also have to show that id when you wnat something like a loan so pic must match. Plus let's not pretend identity fraud isn't rife in the UK. We shouldn't have letters then. Because if someone gets your letter they can do atuff with it🤷🏻

The "buts" are ridiculous.

No. I'm saying if there a card with your name, address, date of birth etc on it. That information can be used for identity theft.

You report your ID card as stolen. What is stopping it being used by a fraudulent voter if they look similar to you, for example. The poll clerks have only a name and an address. So, I could easily pass as my neighbour if I wanted to.

I could also easily mock up fake cards if I so wished.

The introduction of ID won't eliminate voter fraud. So it's an absolute waste of time.

CherryCherries · 11/05/2021 21:42

Whenever anyone argues about being asked for ID when they are 35 to by alcohol, the usual response is; "just carry ID, it's not biggie to do so.."

Yet to vote it's a massive violation on people to ask for ID..

Tealightsandd · 11/05/2021 21:43

It's purely to disenfranchise voters
How though? Yes, if ID cards aren't very cheap or free - but so long as that happens than no problem.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 11/05/2021 21:45

It doesn't. It doesn't help. Id cards are for submissives to dictatorship and do not in any way help to preven any fraud.

There

00100001 · 11/05/2021 21:47

@CherryCherries

Whenever anyone argues about being asked for ID when they are 35 to by alcohol, the usual response is; "just carry ID, it's not biggie to do so.."

Yet to vote it's a massive violation on people to ask for ID..

But we have a fundamental right to vote. And that right to vote may be taken away from us, because we didn't have ID with us for whatever reason.

For example you had your ID in your purse,in your handbag on the way home from work. You got pickpocketed. You turn up at the polling station and now are potentially absolutely unable to cast your vote.

As I said upthread, if you're happy to denied your right to vote because of a circumstance beyond your control...all because a person decided to solve a problem that doesn't really exist. Then good for you.

I'm not willing to have my vote taken away from me by system that won't prevent the fraud it claims it's preventing.

Tealightsandd · 11/05/2021 21:50

submissives to dictatorship

Erm, or maybe just a useful and convenient form of ID. Already the norm in many European countries.

Wynona · 11/05/2021 21:50

Is there a cost benefit analysis for this? What is the cost of issuing a free id compared to the actual risk of voter fraud? If voter fraud is close to zero why create a layer of faff.

00100001 · 11/05/2021 21:50

@Tealightsandd

It's purely to disenfranchise voters How though? Yes, if ID cards aren't very cheap or free - but so long as that happens than no problem.
Because it's another step you have to take to vote.

It is another barrier to voting, we already have abysmally low turnouts to list elections, this will just make numbers lower.

If you forget your ID, you might not bother to collect your ID and return to vote = Lower voter numbers...

Last minute votes may be restricted, because you didn't bring I'd out with you.

00100001 · 11/05/2021 21:52

@Tealightsandd

submissives to dictatorship

Erm, or maybe just a useful and convenient form of ID. Already the norm in many European countries.

So there's no voter fraud in the EU? Absolutely 0?
Tealightsandd · 11/05/2021 21:56

It's not hard to remember a card. No different to forgetting your wallet when you're in the shops.

ID cards are useful anyway. When I was younger I had to renew my passport despite not travelling abroad. I don't drive and needed photo ID for various things. It wasn't cheap for me at the time. I was on a low income. A national ID card (very cheap or free) would've been so helpful.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 11/05/2021 21:57

@Tealightsandd

submissives to dictatorship

Erm, or maybe just a useful and convenient form of ID. Already the norm in many European countries.

I know
pheebumbalatti · 11/05/2021 21:57

I think if you're too useless to sort out a passport you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

flashylamp · 11/05/2021 21:59

@pheebumbalatti

I think if you're too useless to sort out a passport you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Jesus Christ Angry

Wynona · 11/05/2021 21:59

Anyone got a link to the cost benefit analysis?

Tealightsandd · 11/05/2021 22:01

Last minute votes may be restricted, because you didn't bring I'd out with you.

If you haven't voted before 5pm and have a sudden emergency, or don't know anyone who can be your proxy, you'll be unable to vote.

It's much easier to pop back home for a card than arranging a last minute proxy.

Some people every election will have an unfortunate situation that means they can't vote. It's unavoidable but will always be a minority.

It's no reason not to introduce ID cards

Wynona · 11/05/2021 22:02

What service will be cut to pay for this? What evidence is there that there is an actual problem that needs to be fixed? Facts please.

Tealightsandd · 11/05/2021 22:02

@pheebumbalatti

I think if you're too useless to sort out a passport you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Passports are expensive. Particularly for people on low incomes.
00100001 · 11/05/2021 22:06

@Tealightsandd

Last minute votes may be restricted, because you didn't bring I'd out with you.

If you haven't voted before 5pm and have a sudden emergency, or don't know anyone who can be your proxy, you'll be unable to vote.

It's much easier to pop back home for a card than arranging a last minute proxy.

Some people every election will have an unfortunate situation that means they can't vote. It's unavoidable but will always be a minority.

It's no reason not to introduce ID cards

But the reason to introduce I'd cards is to prevent voter fraud. And ID cards won't prevent voter fraud. So they're absolutely useless in what they're trying to prevent... Because voter fraud can still occur even if ID is mandatory.

And more importantly you won't be DENIED YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE if you don't have ID on you because you got pickpocketed on the way home or you forgot it was voting day until you went out with your friends and popped in in the way home, or you can't work out how to fill in the form to get the ID card in the first place...

WhatWouldPhyllisCraneDo · 11/05/2021 22:07

@pheebumbalatti

I think if you're too useless to sort out a passport you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Sorry for being poor. I didnt realise that meant I wasn't allowed a say. Ffs. Twat.
00100001 · 11/05/2021 22:07

@pheebumbalatti

I think if you're too useless to sort out a passport you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Fucking Hell.

I think if you write asinine statements on forums, you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote....

Kendodd · 11/05/2021 22:11

Not everyone drives or goes abroad and this will bar many people from voting.

I believe barring (certain) people from voting is the intention.