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to let child indoors in these circumstances?

98 replies

Knitwit101 · 04/05/2021 15:34

We're in Scotland, no indoor home visits allowed, but you can sit indoors in a cafe.

I've been caring for a friend's child a lot recently, she's had some major health problems. I've looked after him for years, she looks after my boy, never a problem, I would do anything for her while she's sick. Her dh is completely unbending on the covid rules.

7 yr old boys, they've been really good about staying outside all winter and spring, through some pretty horrible weather. They've played under the car port thing outside our kitchen door when it's been raining.

Past few weeks the weather has been mostly okay and they've played outdoors no problem.

Yesterday and today, typical Scottish bank holiday, it hasn't stopped raining. They were outdoors in the car port for 4 hours yesterday, they were cold but they didn't complain.

I had him again this morning and it was forecast to rain on and off all morning. I asked if I could take them to a cafe for an hour but her dh said no, even though that's not against the rules. He wants them to stay outside.

It's been raining all morning and thanks to the wind direction the rain was blowing straight through the car port. They still played out for a good while, they did their best, playing on the trampoline between showers and hiding out in the one corner that was sort of sheltered from the rain when it was really wet.

After nearly 2 hours friend's son came to the door and asked if he could go home because he was cold.

I texted my friend and asked if he could be picked up in the next half hour as he was too cold, said I would give them a hot chocolate while they waited. So they went back to their corner with their hot choc and a blanket each to wait for friend's dh (who works from home) to come and collect him.

45 minutes later no sign, kids are cold and wet and miserable. Even their blankets are wet. They were properly shivering. And this is 2 kids who have been outside every day since whenever we were last allowed indoors so they're pretty hardy I would say. It's just been non-stop wet the past 48 hours, the kind of wet that gets right in your bones.

I brought them inside and let friend sit on a kitchen stool just inside the door, left the door wide open, but at least he was out of the rain and wind, and texted friend to say he was now indoors, he was too cold, could they collect him asap or could I bring him home in the car, also against the rules but max 3 minutes door to door.

She phoned me minutes later to say her dh was coming for him right now and he was to go back outside and wait.

I told him he had to go back out so all 3 of us went and stood in the one tiny dry-ish corner under the car port while it took his dad 20 minutes to drive 3 minutes to collect him.

So was IBU to let him inside when I knew his dad wanted him to be outside? When I had told them he was cold and needed to be collected and it took them an hour from when I first asked them to come for him?

If a friend of mine had left my kid standing outside soaked through in the rain I would have been pretty pissed off and questioned their judgement. But I did go against his dad's wishes so maybe I am wrong.

There are exemptions for emergency childcare, my friend would happily use them in her current circumstances but her dh says no way. Her dh works from home so theoretically their ds could have stayed at home, both his parents were in the house, although my friend would probably have been asleep and her dh would have been working.

She's messaged me now to apologise for her dh and to thank me for having ds for her again. So I've obviously caused problems there between her and her dh too, when she's already unwell and stressed.

Thank goodness they're back at school tomorrow, we can meet indoors soo, hopefully the weather will improve, and friend's health is improving, so hopefully we won't have a repeat of this shitty day.

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gnushoes · 04/05/2021 16:28

The husband is a tit. Poor child.

Justcallmebebes · 04/05/2021 16:29

That poor kid and well done you and your son for suffering with him and keeping him company outside. Boy's father is a grade a twat

zoemum2006 · 04/05/2021 16:30

He’s entitled to his own level of strictness but he should be looking after his own child if he feels so strongly.

I can’t stand being cold and wet and can’t beat the thought of those poor kids shivering.

FuckyouCovid21 · 04/05/2021 16:33

I would just bring him in in future and not tell the dad - what does he think happens when his son needs the toilet?

FuckyouCovid21 · 04/05/2021 16:33

And is he supposed to eat his lunch outside in the cold and wet too?

His dad's a dickhead

Kokosrieksts · 04/05/2021 16:34

Because Covid knows not to get somebody at school or cafe, but will as soon as you step in someone’s house.
I wouldn’t give this a second thought, you did the right thing.

ArrrMeHearties · 04/05/2021 16:37

You did the right thing no question about it. I'd of done the same as you op. Yesterday's rain was horrendous my OH was out in it all day working and was chittering when he came home. Surely if you have been providing childcare that constitutes a childcare bubble(I know bubbles get bandied about like nobody's business) but this instance it would be better than standing in the rain physically shivering poor wee guy

AlmostSummer21 · 04/05/2021 16:43

Jesus.

I've been practically shielding since Feb 2020, due to underlying conditions. I haven't even done things were allowed to do
& I'm still washing my shopping etc.

I'd have had him inside before dickhead Dad drove off the driveway!

If you say 'no' next time, are you actually letting your friend down or inconveniencing Dickhead Dad?

No way, in your friends position, would I have wanted the two littke ones outside in vile weather. No idea what's wrong with your friend (💐) but 7 year olds aren't that demanding if you let them watch tv or play on the internet. It might not be ideal, but it's a lot better than putting them outside in that weather FFS.

mygee · 04/05/2021 16:44

You did the right thing. If his Dad is that worried he needs to look after his son himself, or at least come and pick him up straight away! He sounds ungrateful too.

I'd hate the thought of my child being made to stay outside in terrible weather for long periods like that (unless they were perfectly happy out there of course!) If it was happening as a result of doing a favour for a friend I think I'd resent offering and would think twice about offering again!

FrenchBoule · 04/05/2021 16:44

@SunshineCake

Child before an adult in this situation.

Words would have been had with this prick.

This.

How long it took your friends “D”H to shift his arse and pick up his wet and cold child?

He wasn’t too bothered sitting in the warm house?

YANBU OP

takemetomiami · 04/05/2021 16:46

Her DH is a bloody idiot. You did the right thing and if you have him again, tell her DH it's your house, your rules, otherwise he can look after him at home.

GoddessKali · 04/05/2021 16:48

The psychological harm this is doing to our children won’t even be known for 15 years. Sad

autumnboys · 04/05/2021 16:48

I would have done exactly what you have done. I think you have been a saint. Flowers

Bananasforme · 04/05/2021 16:51

I think you did the right thing too. It is also allowed in accordance with the rules in Scotland. Look up "informal childcare"- the child is allowed in (but not the parents)

It was allowed all through lockdown as well if the childcare was for essential reasons...such as the parents needing to work.

If the DH is a stickler he should at least check what the rules actually say.

Saz12 · 04/05/2021 16:54

OK, it’s his child so of course he gets a say.... but that falters when he takes AN HOUR to pick up his freezing cold child. You didn’t the right thing, OP and the Dad is an arse.

Eachpeachpears · 04/05/2021 16:54

Fucking hell so the kids dad looked out of the window, saw the pissing down rain and thought 'never mind, ds is in @knitwit101 garden'. Ridiculous. I'd have bought them in long before you did you did the right thing. The dad is a knob

MissMaple82 · 04/05/2021 16:55

Absolutely not unreasonable. The only unreasonable person here is the dad, who sound like a complete @r$e

Toty · 04/05/2021 16:55

Is he scared his wife will get covid? Without meaning to pry if her illness makes her more vulnerable that might be why he’s so strict about it.

Presumably the child is in school with hundreds of others though?

YANBU OP, I can't get my head around the way some people have treated their own dc during this pandemic, their mental health seems to come last.
We're also in Scotland, weather was awful today. My ds went to the trampoline Park with a friend, and 100 other kids indoors, no masks, this is allowed yet 1 friend at home isn't, it's madness.

oppositeofbubbly · 04/05/2021 16:57

If the father has decided that he doesn't want to use any of the exceptions to the rules that could have applied in this case to allow the child indoors, that's obviously his right. But he's completely unreasonable to expect someone to provide entirely outdoor childcare on a regular basis in Scotland. If he's so worried about Covid that he is willing to allow his child and yours to be cold and wet for hours then he should keep his son at home and accept that it might interfere with his work hours. YANBU

2bazookas · 04/05/2021 16:57

Informal childcare (indoors) is permitted in Scotland

www.parentclub.scot/childcare

Mydarlingmyhamburger · 04/05/2021 16:57

What a massive post for a complete non issue

DeciduousPerennial · 04/05/2021 16:57

He’s happy sitting in his nice warm house while his son has been outside freezing for hours on end for MONTHS? With YOUR son?! Because you’re doing them a favour with childcare?

I’d have bollocked the living shit out of him when he finally bothered his arse to turn up and pick his up son.

And damn straight I wouldn’t have made the kids go back outside before he turned up.

Undersnatch · 04/05/2021 17:00

[quote 2bazookas]Informal childcare (indoors) is permitted in Scotland

www.parentclub.scot/childcare[/quote]
I came on to say this. The rule on this changed on 26th April. You have done nothing wrong by the govt rules, let alone in terms of humanity!

Runway · 04/05/2021 17:02

I don’t know if Scotland is different to England but you’ve always been allowed a childcare bubble and allowed inside as part of that

Knitwit101 · 04/05/2021 17:04

damn straight I wouldn’t have made the kids go back outside before he turned up

I now can't believe I actually did that. Why did I do that? And I stood out there with them. What a fool.

He is a knob actually, the more I think about it. I just haven't had much direct contact with him before now so hadn't quite realised.

They haven't been freezing outside for months though, they have mostly been completely happy and I will be sad in a way when they default to wanting to sit inside on xbox as soon as it's even a little bit cold.

Covid has been a total headfuck on so many levels. I don't even trust my own judgement any more.

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